Re: gEDA-user: Method to create symbol for enhanced ICs with many pins

2010-08-05 Thread John Doty
On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Which symbol is first in the file depends on the order you added the symbols to the schematic. So, depending on your habits, the problem will show sometimes, always, or never. This is a bug(*) known for years. Indeed. We all agree this is

Re: gEDA-user: Method to create symbol for enhanced ICs with many pins

2010-08-04 Thread Stephan Boettcher
Tamas Szabo sza2k...@freemail.hu writes: I would create a schematic symbol for AT91SAM7 device: 64 pins, lots of them with multiplexed functions. 1. I can number pins round, 1 to 64 sequentially: + easily fit to the schematic, 4x16 pin + easy to create the symbol - no functional

Re: gEDA-user: Method to create symbol for enhanced ICs with many pins

2010-08-04 Thread Kevin Vermeer
Tamas Szabo sza2k...@freemail.hu writes: I would create a schematic symbol for AT91SAM7 device: 64 pins, lots of them with multiplexed functions. 1. I can number pins round, 1 to 64 sequentially: [snip] 2. I can separate pins by functions, without keeping the pins' order: [snip]

Re: gEDA-user: Method to create symbol for enhanced ICs with many pins

2010-08-04 Thread kai-martin knaak
Stephan Boettcher wrote: Option 3.) I'd make a symbol for each function the chip supports, and instantiate a subset of those that I need, carefully annotating overlaps in pin usage, so that no pin is used twice accidentally. This is required work for using such a chip anyway. Note, that

Re: gEDA-user: Method to create symbol for enhanced ICs with many pins

2010-08-04 Thread Tamas Szabo
On 08/04/2010 05:54 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote: c) Rearrange the order of symbols in the file with a text editor. Downside: laborious. I know this sounds a silly idea, and I never found similar in any schematic editor, but wouldn't it be possible to move pins dynamically on the edge of the

Re: gEDA-user: Method to create symbol for enhanced ICs with many pins

2010-08-04 Thread Kevin Vermeer
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Tamas Szabo sza2k...@freemail.hu wrote: I know this sounds a silly idea, and I never found similar in any schematic editor, but wouldn't it be possible to move pins dynamically on the edge of the device in gschem as simply as moving any other attribute like

Re: gEDA-user: Method to create symbol for enhanced ICs with many pins

2010-08-04 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Kevin Vermeer wrote: kaimartin, are you saying that simply swapping the positions (just the Y components, even) of a pin on a symbol will cause gnetlist to break? No. I Am talking about the position in the *.sch file. Not about the position inside the symbol. It's a completely different

gEDA-user: Method to create symbol for enhanced ICs with many pins

2010-08-03 Thread Tamas Szabo
Hi, I would create a schematic symbol for AT91SAM7 device: 64 pins, lots of them with multiplexed functions. 1. I can number pins round, 1 to 64 sequentially: + easily fit to the schematic, 4x16 pin + easy to create the symbol - no functional grouping - harder to understand the final

Re: gEDA-user: Method to create symbol for enhanced ICs with many pins

2010-08-03 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 21:02 +0200, Tamas Szabo wrote: However, since in my opinion schematic is a logical thing, I prefer the second option. Which is the better solution? Thx, /sza2 I generally do both variants and put it to gedasymbols, i.e. my AT90USB symbol and many other. If

Re: gEDA-user: Method to create symbol for enhanced ICs with many pins

2010-08-03 Thread Tamas Szabo
I generally do both variants and put it to gedasymbols, i.e. my AT90USB symbol and many other. Yes, but it is a double work:-) If you make the symbols with tragesym, then changing pinorder is not much work. I use (my modified) tragesym. Great tool, pin order really not a matter. Assigning