Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Mary Mark Ockerbloom
Regarding the question of what can you do, I had the experience last week of starting a new job. I had to read through the guidelines for the organization, which included a section on Equal Opportunity and Freedom from Harassment. Prominent on the first page: Harassment Defined 1. Hostile

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Mary Mark Ockerbloom celebration.wo...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding the question of what can you do, I had the experience last week of starting a new job. I had to read through the guidelines for the organization, which included a section on Equal Opportunity

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Nepenthe
The more I look into it, the more it seems like it's a pointless endeavor. From the deletion discussions I've looked at ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Save_the_Redwoods.jpg), a photo of two nude young women in a tree considered in scope. After all, it's been

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
I have friends who live up there. And I will be in the area in July. I'll see if we can get decent photos of the hot springs. Actually it might be federal land therefore we can get public domain images for it. I need to look into that when I am online. The best thing to do: replace the crap

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Nepenthe topazbutter...@gmail.com wrote: The more I look into it, the more it seems like it's a pointless endeavor. From the deletion discussions I've looked at ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Save_the_Redwoods.jpg), a photo

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
Another idea - Perhaps we can create a working list of articles that need better photos and are using absurd sexualized images etc as their photos. Obviously sex articles wouldn't always fall into thy category, but, I'm thinking more stupid things like the hot springs article. Instead of wiki

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
Andreas - when you say until the Foundation does something, what are you looking for them to do? You can always directly write the legal team and ask them for input on what they could do regarding your concerns. That's what I would do if I was you. As you very well know, grantmaking and

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
Just to follow up - the English Wikipedia article about the Babgy Hot Springs does not depict any nudity in the images: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagby_Hot_Springs At this point, I'm so over fretting about porny stuff on Commons - I'm more concerned about personality rights - but, if it

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Nepenthe
Sarah, indeed, I should have been more clear. It is the Commons category for the Hot Springs that contains the nude images, not the en.wikipedia article. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: Just to follow up - the English Wikipedia article about the

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Pete Forsyth
As possibly the only person in this discussion who's been to Bagby, I'd hasten to point out that arguably, including nudity in the article would be the most accurate way to depict it. I've seen more naked people there than clothed people. But yes, I agree with Sarah -- having images of naked

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Russavia
The best idea I've seen! If a subject area is lacking on Commons, the best way to go about it is to upload more photos, so that the one or two naturist photos blend in. Look forward to seeing more images in that category in the future. :) Cheers, Russavia On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:54 AM,

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: Andreas - when you say until the Foundation does something, what are you looking for them to do? Sarah, change has to come from the top: from Sue and the board. As far as I am concerned, they have failed abysmally.

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: Andreas - when you say until the Foundation does something, what are you looking for them to do? Sarah, change has to come from the top:

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Pete, I'd invite you to run a Google image search for Bagby Hot Springs, with safe search turned off. The first one hundred images include about as many images of female nudity as the nine-image Commons category. That is the difference between Commons demographics, and general demographics.

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Russavia
I am getting plenty more results than what we have on Commons. I am suspecting that a bad example was chosen here, because they are HOT SPRINGS; which generally means that nudity is allowed, and given what they are, it's generally to be expected. Unless of course we want to turn back the clocks

[Gendergap] Program Evaluation and Design Workshop - Apply to attend! - June 22-23, Budapest

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
[please pardon this crossposting] Hello everyone! I am pleased to announce the first Program Evaluation and Design Workshop! - *When*: 22–23 June 2012 - *Where*: Budapest, Hungary The application process is now open. We have only 20 slots available for this workshop and the application

Re: [Gendergap] Program Evaluation and Design Workshop - Apply to attend! - June 22-23, Budapest

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
Gah!! That's embarrassing. Yes, 2013. Sadly we're severely limited on funding. If I had my way, we'd fund everyone, but, sadly we can't. (And based on surveying in Milan, most interested participants were willing to fund themselves or have chapters fund them). But it's important to let everyone

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: Andreas - when you say until the Foundation does something, what are you looking for them to do? You can always directly write the legal team and ask them for input on what they could do regarding your concerns.

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: Andreas - when you say until the Foundation does something, what are you looking for them to do? You can always directly write the legal team and ask them for input on what they could do regarding your concerns.