Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread Risker
Neotarf is correct, it is the guideline to address suicide threats and similar threats of serious harm to self or others (e.g., "I'm going to go shoot up my school") - in other words, that guideline is intended to capture situations where there is a reason to contact police or similar authorities

[Gendergap] Ada Lovelace Day on October 13th

2015-09-26 Thread Pine W
Ada Lovelace Day will be on October 13th this year. Crisco 1492 has selected a relevant POTD for English Wikipedia for that day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:POTD/2015-10-13 Pine ___ Gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread Risker
I have a simple question to ask: How many people in this thread have publicly or privately requested to the Wikimedia Foundation ED that additional resources be assigned to trust and safety issues such as death threats? There was an annual plan posted for about three days of community comment

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread Risker
The WMF may or may not help editors who are receiving death threats via their email systems - I'd venture to guess that in the majority of cases they're handled by admins or CUs or arbitrators by the expedient of blocking the accounts with email turned off. If you're saying you really don't want

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread J Hayes
rupert, i and carol have a somewhat different experience with the police. it is unclear if i would trust them to keep identity confidential. WMF should act regardless of legal status. this merry go round of not providing clear lines of responsibility and action (other than round file) is part of

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread Isarra Yos
A lot of online threats, including death/rape threats, aren't really worth taking seriously. They're just talk, rude-arse and not even remotely productive, but still just the sort of dumbarse talk some people try to do to bully folks. Blocking them is indeed reasonable, as they are unlikely to

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread Carol Moore dc
I'll be happy to see a lot of the information and reasoning explained in the harassment document, including first encouraging people to contact an administrator. (Identifying administrators who are experienced in the topic would help too.) Reasons one might not immediately contact police -

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread Neotarf
@Carol Moore, I believe that link is about suicide threats. Did you mean to link to something else? On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote: > Because of an offline discussion about the 1000 odd death threats I got > directly through the Wikimedia

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread Carol Moore dc
I was referring to threats to kill someone that clearly come from a known Wikipedia handle or editor, or, as in my case, a person who is known because it's the same kind of message they have been known to send to various others many times before. In my case threats were sent through Wikimedia

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread rupert THURNER
anne, thank you so much, for the first time i think i understand the problem. "rot in hell" is a very good example of anger. anger is something common on wikipedia, anger management is something surprisingly ignored. i never read about it in a mailing list, and i do not know a single person in the

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread rupert THURNER
risker you are joking? a death threat is a case for the police not for the wikimedia foundation. wikimedia foundation is not a para-military or para-police organization replacing standard legal systems, the wikimedia community is also not a community outside other legal systems, with special rules

Re: [Gendergap] WP:Harassment finally links to solution for threats!

2015-09-26 Thread Risker
Rupert, I suppose I'm jaded by some of the things that people have characterized as a death threat over the years. Nasty as it may be to say "rot in hell", that's not a death threat. It was an interesting challenge to explain to someone once that "die you gravy-sucking pig" was actually a Steve