I totally agree with that statement. In the old days bans were done to protect
the project from harm, but more and more they are done as a punishment (which
is supposedly counter to the rules) or to protect a popular point of view. The
end result is bans do more harm to the project than they
Its not surprising that the arbcom would not like comments and be critical of a
venue they do not control and cannot themselves silence critical comments about
their decisions. I finf it unfortunate that an arb doesnt want to join the
mailing list merely because some people here do not share
for Wikiepdia and not whats
best for them, we probably wouldn't be in the situation we are in now. So
if you are coming here to try and discredit me, you might want to take a
look at your own actions first.
Reguyla
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:14 PM, gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com wrote
:
This is also part of the problem - we have helpful contributions from
people like Reguyla / Kumioko who is basically here to complain about how
awful Arbcom are. Some months ago he was engaged in a campaign of personal
abuse against arbitrators which to be frank is exactly the kind of thing
Ok, now, before this devolves further, let us all end this stupidity. Lets
get back on topic! GW, your comments today have had nothing to do with this
list other than to attack me. Enough is enough.
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:00 PM, gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
GW, accusing me of
of
this list by insulting me. Can we move on please?
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
wrote:
The best way for you to help the goals of this list is for you to leave it.
On 12 Dec 2014 19:04, Reguyla regu...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure how I became the bad
I think this might be a good idea but it would be pretty hard to implement
and I think, unnecessary. Most of the functionaries got to where they are
because they have a calm demeanor and generally are fair in how they treat
others. Additionally, its not usually the functionaries who are the
on.
And I agree with Chris.
Risker/Anne
On 12 December 2014 at 14:08, Reguyla regu...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, now, before this devolves further, let us all end this stupidity.
Lets get back on topic! GW, your comments today have had nothing to do with
this list other than to attack me. Enough
of
that means I should leave the list. But after hitting send for this email,
I will try and figure out how to remove my name so you all can get back to
discussing matters with no intention of making changes to improve the
project.
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Reguyla regu...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, so
editors (and thus more opportunities to
facilitate an on-wiki environment that supports diversity).
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Reguyla regu...@gmail.com wrote:
I think this might be a good idea but it would be pretty hard to
implement and I think, unnecessary. Most of the functionaries
No you want me to leave the list, because I was banned for criticizing
admin abuse and the Arbcom of which you are a part. But don't worry, I have
unsubscribed and am simply waiting on the confirmation so soon I will no
longer be on this list and you can continue to ignore the real problems
which
...@gmail.com wrote:
Kumioko, you can change your gmail preferences to have this list
automatically dump to spam if you're not getting a fast enough response to
your unsubscribe.
Risker
On 12 December 2014 at 14:43, Reguyla regu...@gmail.com wrote:
While I am waiting for the email
for a moderator.
Risker
On 12 December 2014 at 14:49, Reguyla regu...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, its also possible that whomever is removing me from the list, doesn't
agree that I am a problem. Its funny that the people who want me off the list
are or were members of the Arbcom I have often criticized
Regardless of whether the Arbcom actually did it, they advocated doing it
so they are still responsible. As for the moderators removing me from the
list, I have received emails from 5 people so far that think I am just
being bullied by 2 arbs and a trustee of WMUK who probably is hoping to
score
Sorry about the health issues and i have also removedvmyself from that other
list.
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-- Original message--
From: Kevin Gorman
Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 2:07 PM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation
of women within
I agree, i pretty much knew that the ggtf stuff wkuld hitbthe news somewhere.
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-- Original message--
From: Carol Moore dc
Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 9:01 PM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation
of women within
I dont disagree that there was some bad behavior, but i didnt see anything ban
worthy. I do disagree that the case had nothing to do with ggtf though.
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-- Original message--
From: Risker
Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 10:11 PM
To: Addressing gender equity
A few of us live in the dc area as well.
Also in re gards to the google group that russavia started. I think that was
done in good faith to allow a more interactive venue where people could chat
more real time rather than in a moderated email list. So i wouldnt get too
upset about the
Dodbot has been down for a long time. I think the only assessment bots are run
be either anomie, magioladitis and possibly going batty.
I would suggest manually verifying the subcats before assessing. Often time the
subcats arent intuitive.
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-- Original
Now that the Arbcom case has concluded and the punishments have been
imposed, I just wanted to welcome Carolmooredc and Neotarf to the list of
editors who have been banned from Wikipedia. I now its a hard pill to
swallow, but all good editors end up here eventually if they stay long
enough, so
attacks by Fram at ani.
Reguyla
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-- Original message--
From: Fæ
Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2014 9:04 AM
To: GenderGap;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] Relevant election questions for Arbcom
Following up on this, after my question a week ago to Arbcom
candidates, it is now
I totally agree that the arbcom has lost the interest of most of the community
and that there used to be more candidates and more voters. I believe this is
reflected in a combination of the drop in editors, the drop in admins and in
the progressively worse job the arbcom is doing. The take very
I totally disagree. Arbco. Decisions have a huge impact on the community even
if the majority of the community doesnt see it. Since you mention discretionary
sanctions, that is an area where i have seen abused many times. Some admins who
like power frequently hide behind ds's and use them as a
Thanks, i take back everything i said. I have never more wrong. I have since
found out that isnt russavia nor do i beli leve that group was started in good
faith. I have since remived myself from it.
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-- Original message--
From: Sarah Stierch
Date:
That is joe jobbing.
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-- Original message--
From: LB
Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 11:58 AM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation
of women within Wikimedia projects.;
Subject:Re: [Gendergap] a gender gap meet-up?
Is
That depends on how you interpret it. No monetary gain was there but they a r e
userping someones identity for personal gain.
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-- Original message--
From: Nathan
Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 12:49 PM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to
Good points carol and i would add that i dont trust the checkuser tool more
than 50%. Its easy to fool, hard to read the data and interpret the results.
90% of it is gut instinct and spotting vocal trends and writing style by the
user. I have seen first hand that not only is it prone to error,
I agree with most of what risker says. There are several groups on the project
that exert undue influence over their articles whether male or female. If the
wmf gets involvedvat all, it should be to ensure that policies are enforced
evenly throughout the project and these,power cabals are
I do agree that people often work out their disputes, but i have also seen, and
been involved in, cases where the one with the ability to block wins. That is
the sort of thing that not only drives people out of the project, but also
causes them to advocate against the project to people they
Carol: My guess is that pretty much everyone commenting here has and
continues to, read the GGTF case. I also agree that Eric can be harsh and
his use of certain words offends people. Likewise others in this case also
didn't act very well.
Personally I think the term he used or the references you
it as well.
Reguyla
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote:
It's noteworthy that they are not non-appealable blocks. I honestly don't
think this is beyond the scope of the list, although it's certainly a
depressing topic. Allowing severe gendered slurs to be bandied
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