Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-17 Thread Neotarf
Does anyone know what's going on with the Spanish Wikipedia? The last two articles I created, of Laxmi_Aggarwal and Maha Al Muneef--women who have been awarded the International Women of Courage Award--have been nominated for speedy deletion as not being encyclopedic. See my talk page

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-17 Thread J Hayes
maybe a note to leigh themadattar User:Thelmadatter? who was mentioned in a blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/04/13/wiki-learning-edit-a-thon-mexico/ good reason to go to wikimania On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Neotarf neot...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know what's going on with the

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-17 Thread Pine W
Yes, ask Leigh. I heard previously that Spanish Wikipedia has some eager deletionists, as English.Wikipedia does also. Pine On Apr 17, 2015 6:20 AM, J Hayes slowki...@gmail.com wrote: maybe a note to leigh themadattar User:Thelmadatter? who was mentioned in a blog

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-14 Thread Jane Darnell
Interesting, thanks for the links! We also now have mix-n-match and Charles Matthews has matched the complete Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, With autolist I could probably look at those male-female ratios per occupation. Might be interesting. I don't know how to get at the deleted

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-13 Thread J Hayes
i also collected some anecdotal data about deletions and speedy deletions of MacArthur Fellows. you could study differential deletions of them or Fellows of the Royal Society. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Emilio - thanks for the reminder of that

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-13 Thread Joseph Reagle
On 04/13/2015 01:18 PM, Jane Darnell wrote: Actually I think it would be useful to measure all existing female bios vs all existing male bios for the proportion of those which have been previously deleted and recreated. I have a theory that it is much more difficult to create bios of females

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-13 Thread Samuel Klein
Emilio - thanks for the reminder of that excellent page! On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I have a theory that it is much more difficult to create bios of females in whatever category due to the systemic academic bias aginst including women's biographies

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-13 Thread Kerry Raymond
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participationof women within Wikimedia projects. Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects i also collected some anecdotal data about deletions and speedy deletions of MacArthur Fellows. you could study

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-13 Thread Jane Darnell
Actually I think it would be useful to measure all existing female bios vs all existing male bios for the proportion of those which have been previously deleted and recreated. I have a theory that it is much more difficult to create bios of females in whatever category due to the systemic academic

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-13 Thread Joseph Reagle
On 04/12/2015 03:38 PM, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada wrote: 2015-04-12 21:18 GMT+02:00 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com mailto:werespielchequ...@gmail.com: Firstly looking at gender ratios of deleted and undeleted bios to see if there is an overall gender skew. I share

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-13 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hi Joseph, That would be fine for established articles, but in my experience most new bios that get speedy deleted within a day or two of creation don't ever get an infobox added. Regards Jonathan Cardy On 13 Apr 2015, at 13:56, Joseph Reagle joseph.2...@reagle.org wrote: On

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-12 Thread Rob
I agree about the double standard, I've seen it applied all too often on Wikipedia. I was just asking what specific articles were being affected. On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: One can always just study the relevant articles. But often it's a

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-12 Thread WereSpielChequers
Inclusionism and deletionism is a longstanding battleground where the community is awfully inconsistent. I decline a fair few incorrect speedy deletion tags, some of them so egregious it is very hard to assume good faith and not treat the tagger as a vandal. I don't know whether there is a

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-12 Thread Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada
2015-04-12 21:18 GMT+02:00 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com: Firstly looking at gender ratios of deleted and undeleted bios to see if there is an overall gender skew. I share here this page of deleted and recreated pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/Deletionism/2011

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-11 Thread Carol Moore dc
On 4/10/2015 6:33 PM, Siko Bouterse wrote: This is the grant proposal referenced at the end of that article (currently under review as part of Inspire): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/More_Female_Architects_on_Wikipedia I remember NOT commenting on that one because I figured,

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-11 Thread Rob
Can anyone point to where this troll behavior happened? There don't seem to be a lot of specifics in this article, and I'm wondering if it's gender trolls (which are, alas, plentiful) or a culture clash between old editors and new ones over unfamiliar policies? On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 3:39 PM,

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-11 Thread J Hayes
t think they were referring to this deletion discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pia_Ednie-Brown and this declined AfC https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennifer_Taylor_%28architect%29oldid=650496415 the list shows a lot of positive work done On

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-11 Thread Carol Moore dc
One can always just study the relevant articles. But often it's a double standard in application of policies. So if it's a guy architect with a couple low quality refs, people won't even bother to notice or respond. But if it's a woman architect with 7 or 8 solid ones, it becomes a cause celebre

Re: [Gendergap] Article: Wikipedia trolls now vs. women architects

2015-04-10 Thread Siko Bouterse
This is the grant proposal referenced at the end of that article (currently under review as part of Inspire): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/More_Female_Architects_on_Wikipedia On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 6:31 PM, J Hayes slowki...@gmail.com wrote: here is the list of architects they