Re: [Gendergap] Moving forward

2014-12-10 Thread Jim Hayes
there is a lack of continuity studying editing behaviors, it is all one-off studies, not longitudinal they only know editor decline because it's an easy data dump. that said, there is some data from editations being gathered by eval testing group. we fund editathons because the primary goal is

Re: [Gendergap] Moving forward

2014-12-10 Thread Reguyla
Now that the Arbcom case has concluded and the punishments have been imposed, I just wanted to welcome Carolmooredc and Neotarf to the list of editors who have been banned from Wikipedia. I now its a hard pill to swallow, but all good editors end up here eventually if they stay long enough, so

Re: [Gendergap] Moving forward

2014-12-10 Thread Sarah Stierch
I agree with all Jim says here. I also think the incentive of regular editing is too low - why hangout on Wikipedia after a long day at work or school or caring for a child when you can space out with Netflix or do something with more incentive (I am knee deep in Wikidata right nowand have

Re: [Gendergap] Moving forward

2014-12-10 Thread Jim Hayes
i take the point that arbcom is overrated we see how difficult it is for them to enforce even site bans as in the case of betacommand and the point that it takes away from talking about image uploads or infoboxes at editathons. it is optimistic to imagine that we can train newbies to get to 150

[Gendergap] Moving forward

2014-12-02 Thread Tim Davenport
In reply to Kerry Raymond's post... QUANTIFICATION If all the studies on female participation come up with low percentages around 10% but there are anecdotes of a significant undercount from Teahouse volunteers and such and if female participation at Wikimania approaches one-third, would that

Re: [Gendergap] Moving forward

2014-12-02 Thread Sarah Stierch
Just a gentle reminder..that the work we did evaluating edit-a-thons and workshops when I worked at WMF showed that they do not retain new editors.[1] They're good for getting people aware about Wikipedia - and people do edit while they are at the event, but, newer editors rarely edit AFTER the

Re: [Gendergap] Moving Forward

2014-12-02 Thread Kerry Raymond
gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects. Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Moving Forward You make many good points, Kerry, that speak for themselves. This reply merely addresses one of them: the availability of data. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 2:05

Re: [Gendergap] Moving forward

2014-12-02 Thread Jane Darnell
For the record: the percentage of female editors on the Dutch Wikipedia is only 6%. In the Netherlands, edit-a-thons seem to be useless in terms of recruitment vehicles and many long-term Wikipedians seem to have a long-tail interest that they tend to spend most of their time editing. The eternal

[Gendergap] Moving Forward

2014-12-01 Thread Tim Davenport
Is that addressed to me? Not sure. In any event, the first link doesn't seem to me either a lack of civility or a gender gap issue, but rather another one of the tens of thousands of more or less unimportant conversations that happen backstage at Wikipedia by people killing time in between

Re: [Gendergap] Moving Forward

2014-12-01 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Tim Davenport shoehu...@gmail.com wrote: (1) Political organizing should happen off wiki, not on wiki. This is just as true for WikiProject Conservatism as it is for WikiProject Gender Gap Task Force. Wikipedia is not the place. Go for it, just not there.

Re: [Gendergap] Moving Forward

2014-12-01 Thread Kerry Raymond
continue to be so. Kerry _ From: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Tim Davenport Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 5:40 AM To: Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Gendergap] Moving Forward Is that addressed to me