Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Arnaud HERVE
Ok I will be a bit long here. On 23/09/2011 01:07, Emily Monroe wrote: Personally, I really don't understand why people get upset about Islamic women /choosing/ to wear hijabs, or niqabs, under the pretense of feminism. Part of what feminism fights for is the right to choose. This is the

[Gendergap] Incentive programs and wikicups: Effectiveness?

2011-09-23 Thread Laura Hale
Has anyone done any research or know of any research that has looked into the effectiveness of incentive programs like British Museum at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/BM/Featured_Article_prize ? Or into the effectiveness of wikicups like Bacon at

Re: [Gendergap] Incentive programs and wikicups: Effectiveness?

2011-09-23 Thread Sarah Stierch
Laura - this is probably more of a topic for say cultural partnerships - if you would like (and I would suggest it) I can add you there, I co-mod the list. -Sarah (Stierch) Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :) On Sep 23, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Laura Hale

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Fred Bauder
This rant is inappropriate. Islam doesn't do tolerance, in the sense that we understand it. In Islam you cannot leave, it is death penalty if you chose another religion. There is a grain of truth in such accusations, but you ascribe them to the entire religion. A part of what we are doing here

[Gendergap] OFFLIST Re: Incentive programs and wikicups: Effectiveness?

2011-09-23 Thread Pete Forsyth
Hey Laura, I've been meaning to ask you this -- have you talked to Siska Doviana in Indonesia? She's run a couple university contests, and reported on them. I'm not sure if there's been formal research, but she is full of information. I could introduce you if you haven't met her. -Pete On Sep

Re: [Gendergap] OFFLIST Re: Incentive programs and wikicups: Effectiveness?

2011-09-23 Thread Nathan
nb: despite the subject, this was sent to the list. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Laura, I've been meaning to ask you this -- have you talked to Siska Doviana in Indonesia? She's run a couple university contests, and reported on them. I'm not

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Arnaud HERVE
On 23/09/2011 16:23, Fred Bauder wrote: This rant is inappropriate. Mmh... Yes, ok, goodbye. Anyway this list has been concentrating on hte appearance of women, not on the participation of women of women to generic topics, which was what I was looking for when I first came. I will

Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: The Feminist Movement in Museum Technology startstoday at the Smithsonian!

2011-09-23 Thread Daniel and Elizabeth Case
The GLAM industry is a female dominated industry, and this is the first conference of it's type to examine feminism, technology and museum culture. I encourage you all to follow the conference throughout the weekend... -Sarah As an aside, I've noticed how a lot of active female editors

[Gendergap] 13 year old joins WP Pornography?

2011-09-23 Thread Sarah Stierch
Entertaining...bizarre...scary...odd? Real? fake? Don't get me wrong. If Wikipedia was around when I was 14, I so would have joined WP:Feminism. But, I was a 14 year old riot grrrl using BBSes. ;-) -- Forwarded message -- From: Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl Date: Fri, Sep

[Gendergap] A reminder about IRC #wikimedia-gendergap

2011-09-23 Thread Sarah Stierch
Hi everyone, Just a reminder that we have a #wikimedia-gendergap IRC (internet relay chat) channel! This is a hang out spot where those who are interested in the gender gap talk shop - often subjects related to discussions on the list, help each other out, and just get to know each other. We

Re: [Gendergap] 13 year old joins WP Pornography?

2011-09-23 Thread Michael J. Lowrey
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Entertaining...bizarre...scary...odd? Real? fake? Don't get me wrong. If Wikipedia was around when I was 14, I so would have joined WP:Feminism. But, I was a 14 year old riot grrrl using BBSes. ;-) --

Re: [Gendergap] 13 year old joins WP Pornography?

2011-09-23 Thread Ryan Kaldari
What are some questions we could ask the user that only a real 13 year old would know? Actually, I have a better idea, let's ask him Who founded Wikipedia? :) Ryan Kaldari On 9/23/11 1:04 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Sarah Stierchsarah.stie...@gmail.com

Re: [Gendergap] 13 year old joins WP Pornography?

2011-09-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Whether or not the editor is indeed thirteen years old is probably relatively unimportant. What matters is that voices in the RfC generally (about 3:1) oppose the idea of a minimum age of 18 for contributors to the WikiProject.

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Arnaud, I think you should not underestimate the impact of poverty as compared to religion. Before the Western world became the 1st World, the typical Christian was just as intolerant, bigoted, and patriarchal as your most extreme Muslim. Once Westerners went from being peasants to

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Michael J. Lowrey
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Of course the Christian Bible still says that women are subservient to their husbands (as Michelle Bachmann recently reminded us). It also endorses slavery, says that adulterers must be put to death, and requires men

Re: [Gendergap] 13 year old joins WP Pornography?

2011-09-23 Thread carolmooredc
For legal reasons you have to have a minimum age of 18 and kick off anyone who admits they are under 18 or are somehow exposed as being under 18. (Unless all those opposed want to put up their real names and addresses and personally claim full legal and financial responsibility for any

Re: [Gendergap] 13 year old joins WP Pornography?

2011-09-23 Thread Emily Monroe
Here's a question: What if viewing pornography by anyone, of any age, is illegal where you live? Can you join WP:PORNOGRAPHY then? Not saying it's something you should risk, just saying. From, Emily On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:55 PM, carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: For legal reasons you have

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Emily Monroe
Michael Lowry, what you just said was said was sarcastic and potentially uncivil. Arnaud, (if you can read this) if you are serious about unsubscribing, be my guest, but if you should resubscribe, please don't threaten to unsubscribe. Just do it. I asked my question under the assumption that a

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Michael J. Lowrey
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: Your religion includes  Roman Catholicism, the Church of Latter Day Saints, Christian Scientists, Watchtower Society, Russian Orthodox, Anglican, Coptic, Quakers, and Amish? Christianity, like Islam, has a lot of branches