Re: [Gendergap] washington dc
Sandra, can you provide more info? Like, what the buzz says, where you saw and so on... That might make the job easier to WMDC members to answer it ;) _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* On 7 October 2011 02:49, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: sooo, i've heard some buzz about what is going on in the d.c. chapter, and I've been thinking of writing a post about it, bc frankly if the buzz is accurate, i'm a little disappointed. Does anyone know what is going on there? Thought this might be a good place to ask before I open my big mouth. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] washington dc
Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the D.C. chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for things like harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like copyright violations. Isn't the next Wikimania in D.C.? This sends out a horrible message to people if its true - definitely not one of empowerment. this is a pretty hardcore problem. If this is this the case, then i suggest that as a group, we try to draw attention to this issue, or the location for Wikimania be changed. Not only is this F-ed up for internal people, but I can't imagine a reporter not jumping on this story. Obviously, this sends out a horrible message to women everywhere including, in my opinion, giving the impression that there are no repercussions for bad behavior. Seriously f-ed up. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: Sandra, can you provide more info? Like, what the buzz says, where you saw and so on... That might make the job easier to WMDC members to answer it ;) _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* On 7 October 2011 02:49, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: sooo, i've heard some buzz about what is going on in the d.c. chapter, and I've been thinking of writing a post about it, bc frankly if the buzz is accurate, i'm a little disappointed. Does anyone know what is going on there? Thought this might be a good place to ask before I open my big mouth. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- *Sandra Ordonez* *Web Astronaut* (503)866-2697 @Collaboracion Helping you rock out in the virtual, collaborative world. *www.collaborativenation.com* ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] washington dc
Well, whatever is he/she is not in the board: http://wikidc.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* On 7 October 2011 12:49, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the D.C. chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for things like harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like copyright violations. Isn't the next Wikimania in D.C.? This sends out a horrible message to people if its true - definitely not one of empowerment. this is a pretty hardcore problem. If this is this the case, then i suggest that as a group, we try to draw attention to this issue, or the location for Wikimania be changed. Not only is this F-ed up for internal people, but I can't imagine a reporter not jumping on this story. Obviously, this sends out a horrible message to women everywhere including, in my opinion, giving the impression that there are no repercussions for bad behavior. Seriously f-ed up. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.ptwrote: Sandra, can you provide more info? Like, what the buzz says, where you saw and so on... That might make the job easier to WMDC members to answer it ;) _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* On 7 October 2011 02:49, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: sooo, i've heard some buzz about what is going on in the d.c. chapter, and I've been thinking of writing a post about it, bc frankly if the buzz is accurate, i'm a little disappointed. Does anyone know what is going on there? Thought this might be a good place to ask before I open my big mouth. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- *Sandra Ordonez* *Web Astronaut* (503)866-2697 @Collaboracion Helping you rock out in the virtual, collaborative world. *www.collaborativenation.com* ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] washington dc
On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:49 AM, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the D.C. chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for things like harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like copyright violations. We, the DC chapter, recognize and are discussing these concerns from you and others. Essentially we had no minimum voting requirements (we're changing our bylaws to fix this) and a shortage of candidates which allowed essentially anyone to be elected. (Personally I am not happy about that) We welcome your voice to discuss this or any concerns on our internal list, which is public and open to all: wikidc-inter...@googlegroups.com Cheers, Katie Isn't the next Wikimania in D.C.? This sends out a horrible message to people if its true - definitely not one of empowerment. this is a pretty hardcore problem. If this is this the case, then i suggest that as a group, we try to draw attention to this issue, or the location for Wikimania be changed. Not only is this F-ed up for internal people, but I can't imagine a reporter not jumping on this story. Obviously, this sends out a horrible message to women everywhere including, in my opinion, giving the impression that there are no repercussions for bad behavior. Seriously f-ed up. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: Sandra, can you provide more info? Like, what the buzz says, where you saw and so on... That might make the job easier to WMDC members to answer it ;) _ Béria Lima Wikimedia Portugal (351) 963 953 042 Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de t er livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer. On 7 October 2011 02:49, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: sooo, i've heard some buzz about what is going on in the d.c. chapter, and I've been thinking of writing a post about it, bc frankly if the buzz is accurate, i'm a little disappointed. Does anyone know what is going on there? Thought this might be a good place to ask before I open my big mouth. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Sandra Ordonez Web Astronaut (503)866-2697 @Collaboracion Helping you rock out in the virtual, collaborative world. www.collaborativenation.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] washington dc
Aude - Thank you!! If there is anything we can do to help out, please let us know. As I said, when I was informed, I was deeply disturbed. I can't speak for everyone here, but myself and I am sure many other women/men on this list, have your back on this. Whatever you need, please let us know. Would it help if people from this list shared their opinion on the D.C. mailing list? Or are you guys basically on it? (I want to help you guys, not make it harder or more annoying). If so, I might actually write something up, and ask that those that are on this list sign it (if they want to of course). THANK YOU AGAIN!!! Very refreshing and inspiring to see this being nipped in the butt. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 7, 2011, at 7:49 AM, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the D.C. chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for things like harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like copyright violations. We, the DC chapter, recognize and are discussing these concerns from you and others. Essentially we had no minimum voting requirements (we're changing our bylaws to fix this) and a shortage of candidates which allowed essentially anyone to be elected. (Personally I am not happy about that) We welcome your voice to discuss this or any concerns on our internal list, which is public and open to all: wikidc-inter...@googlegroups.com Cheers, Katie Isn't the next Wikimania in D.C.? This sends out a horrible message to people if its true - definitely not one of empowerment. this is a pretty hardcore problem. If this is this the case, then i suggest that as a group, we try to draw attention to this issue, or the location for Wikimania be changed. Not only is this F-ed up for internal people, but I can't imagine a reporter not jumping on this story. Obviously, this sends out a horrible message to women everywhere including, in my opinion, giving the impression that there are no repercussions for bad behavior. Seriously f-ed up. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: Sandra, can you provide more info? Like, what the buzz says, where you saw and so on... That might make the job easier to WMDC members to answer it ;) _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* On 7 October 2011 02:49, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: sooo, i've heard some buzz about what is going on in the d.c. chapter, and I've been thinking of writing a post about it, bc frankly if the buzz is accurate, i'm a little disappointed. Does anyone know what is going on there? Thought this might be a good place to ask before I open my big mouth. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orgGendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orgGendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- *Sandra Ordonez* *Web Astronaut* (503)866-2697 @Collaboracion Helping you rock out in the virtual, collaborative world. * http://www.collaborativenation.comwww.collaborativenation.com* ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- *Sandra Ordonez* *Web Astronaut* (503)866-2697 @Collaboracion Helping you rock out in the virtual, collaborative world. *www.collaborativenation.com* ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Supporting Campus Ambassador programs [Fwd: Issue of Copy-Pasting]
Help is needed. Fred --- Original Message Subject: Issue of Copy-Pasting From:Hisham his...@wikimedia.org Date:Fri, October 7, 2011 7:46 am To: Wikipedia Ambassadors India wikipedia-ambassadors-in...@googlegroups.com wikipedia-online-ambassad...@googlegroups.com - Hi Team This problem is continuing and is fast approaching disaster proportions. Please see these comments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program#Queries_from_the_Wikipedia_community and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Ambassadors#Concerns_over_impact_on_article_quality Please urgently do the following a) Constantly repeat to every student that copy-pasting is not acceptable b) Monitor the work of your students - and make sure they edit in their sandboxes before they go live (and only go live after you ok it.) c) Please let's have the Campus Online Ambassadors working closely with each other to do point (b) and to track, monitor and correct the work of your respective students. In the next few days and weeks, the problem is going to explode unless we control it because many students' deadlines are approaching. Please treat this matter with the highest urgency. The very future of our program is at stake. Many thanks. hisham Hi TeamThis problem is continuing and is fast approaching disaster proportions. Please see these commentshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program#Queries_from_the_Wikipedia_community and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Ambassadors#Concerns_over_impact_on_article_qualityPlease urgently do the followinga) Constantly repeat to every student that copy-pasting is not acceptableb) Monitor the work of your students - and make sure they edit in their sandboxes before they go live (and only go live after you ok it.)c) Please let's have the Campus Online Ambassadors working closely with each other to do point (b) and to track, monitor and correct the work of your respective students.In the next few days and weeks, the problem is going to explode unless we control it because many students' deadlines are approaching.Please treat this matter with the highest urgency. The very future of our program is at stake.Many thanks. hisham ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Supporting Campus Ambassador programs [Fwd: Issue of Copy-Pasting]
Sarah's conclusions are in sync with what I've heard from the team at the Wikimedia Foundation. But, and that's a crucial point, the goal with the collaborations with the universites is not to make everyone a Wikipedian. I know, that may be strange or counter-intuitive. It certainly was for me. Instead, the goal is to increase the quality of those articles that they university courses are working on, and if some of those who edited during the course stays on as Wikipedians, that's terrific, but it cannot be the goal. I am sure that Frank Schulenburg, Rod Dunican, LiAnna Davis or the other people in the (now) Global Education team can provide more insight into their original thinking. Or Pete Forsythe, for that matter, who I know is on this list. I know that is but one of the aspects of Sarah's email, but it's the one aspect I know something about :-) Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 10:30:10 -0400 From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com To: fredb...@fairpoint.net; gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Supporting Campus Ambassador programs [Fwd: Issue of Copy-Pasting] I took some time last week and actually went through the female editors (many of the students openly identify their real names and/or genders) participating in class programs. 1) Most don't edit Wikipedia after the class is over - and this goes beyond gender. I determined this by studying their user contributions and also using a tool to examine contributions and gender for specific WikiProjects (specifically WP:Public art which developed as a program with students before the Campus Ambassador program existed) 2) A nice amount of them generally get slaps on the hand for their lack of understanding on How Wikipedia Works I'm not sure if this means that something in the system is broken (i.e. we're not educating students and professors on how Wikipedia works write, we're not providing ongoing outreach - which seems to be a problem in a lot of areas of WP outreach...), that the students genuinely have no interest (and that's fine, they are forced to do it, after all), or what.. Some of these problems involve image deletion (due to lack of understanding on how fair use/copyright works in Wikipedia), article deletion, blocking of accounts, or just plain calling people out on their talk pages. I didn't gather all this information in a pile - I've looked at upwards of a thousand female editors accounts over the past two weeks - but, it's there, if you dig around a bit. -Sarah On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Help is needed. Fred --- Original Message Subject: Issue of Copy-Pasting From:Hisham his...@wikimedia.org Date:Fri, October 7, 2011 7:46 am To: Wikipedia Ambassadors India wikipedia-ambassadors-in...@googlegroups.com wikipedia-online-ambassad...@googlegroups.com - Hi Team This problem is continuing and is fast approaching disaster proportions. Please see these comments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program#Queries_from_the_Wikipedia_community and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Ambassadors#Concerns_over_impact_on_article_quality Please urgently do the following a) Constantly repeat to every student that copy-pasting is not acceptable b) Monitor the work of your students - and make sure they edit in their sandboxes before they go live (and only go live after you ok it.) c) Please let's have the Campus Online Ambassadors working closely with each other to do point (b) and to track, monitor and correct the work of your respective students. In the next few days and weeks, the problem is going to explode unless we control it because many students' deadlines are approaching. Please treat this matter with the highest urgency. The very future of our program is at stake. Many thanks. hisham ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art and Sarah Stierch ConsultingHistorical, cultural artistic research advising. -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Supporting Campus Ambassador programs [Fwd: Issue of Copy-Pasting]
I think the overall medium-term results so far has been one person at most per course staying on Wikipedia after the course, and more frequently nobody at all. I think this not necessarily a result of bad experiences or coercion, but rather that curiosity is not necessarily going to equal participation. Myself, I've looked at many things on the web ( elsewhere) (, for that matter, various WMF projects types of work on Wikipedia) participated long enough to understand them , but decided not to continue--not from dissatisfaction, but just because other things interested me more. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote: Sarah's conclusions are in sync with what I've heard from the team at the Wikimedia Foundation. But, and that's a crucial point, the goal with the collaborations with the universites is not to make everyone a Wikipedian. I know, that may be strange or counter-intuitive. It certainly was for me. Instead, the goal is to increase the quality of those articles that they university courses are working on, and if some of those who edited during the course stays on as Wikipedians, that's terrific, but it cannot be the goal. I am sure that Frank Schulenburg, Rod Dunican, LiAnna Davis or the other people in the (now) Global Education team can provide more insight into their original thinking. Or Pete Forsythe, for that matter, who I know is on this list. I know that is but one of the aspects of Sarah's email, but it's the one aspect I know something about :-) Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 10:30:10 -0400 From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com To: fredb...@fairpoint.net; gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Supporting Campus Ambassador programs [Fwd: Issue of Copy-Pasting] I took some time last week and actually went through the female editors (many of the students openly identify their real names and/or genders) participating in class programs. 1) Most don't edit Wikipedia after the class is over - and this goes beyond gender. I determined this by studying their user contributions and also using a tool to examine contributions and gender for specific WikiProjects (specifically WP:Public art which developed as a program with students before the Campus Ambassador program existed) 2) A nice amount of them generally get slaps on the hand for their lack of understanding on How Wikipedia Works I'm not sure if this means that something in the system is broken (i.e. we're not educating students and professors on how Wikipedia works write, we're not providing ongoing outreach - which seems to be a problem in a lot of areas of WP outreach...), that the students genuinely have no interest (and that's fine, they are forced to do it, after all), or what.. Some of these problems involve image deletion (due to lack of understanding on how fair use/copyright works in Wikipedia), article deletion, blocking of accounts, or just plain calling people out on their talk pages. I didn't gather all this information in a pile - I've looked at upwards of a thousand female editors accounts over the past two weeks - but, it's there, if you dig around a bit. -Sarah On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Help is needed. Fred --- Original Message Subject: Issue of Copy-Pasting From: Hisham his...@wikimedia.org Date: Fri, October 7, 2011 7:46 am To: Wikipedia Ambassadors India wikipedia-ambassadors-in...@googlegroups.com wikipedia-online-ambassad...@googlegroups.com - Hi Team This problem is continuing and is fast approaching disaster proportions. Please see these comments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program#Queries_from_the_Wikipedia_community and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Ambassadors#Concerns_over_impact_on_article_quality Please urgently do the following a) Constantly repeat to every student that copy-pasting is not acceptable b) Monitor the work of your students - and make sure they edit in their sandboxes before they go live (and only go live after you ok it.) c) Please let's have the Campus Online Ambassadors working closely with each other to do point (b) and to track, monitor and correct the work of your respective students. In the next few days and weeks, the problem is going to explode unless we control it because many students' deadlines are approaching. Please treat this matter with the highest urgency. The very future of our program is at stake.
Re: [Gendergap] washington dc
In answer to Sandra's original question: Yes, I'm deeply concerned about the prospects for Wikimania given the present situation. However, Anne makes a good point below. There are a couple things it's important to keep in mind though: (1) Having a healthy Wikimania is something that's in all of our interest; I believe we all have a potential role to play in supporting the local chapter as it does something decidedly international, and (2) What happened to get this person on the board can't really be called a *decision* of the local group. According to the bylaws, the person in question nominated themselves, I believe without need for a second; there was no disclosure of the person's on-wiki identity (though it is both publicly available and known to this person's immediate peers); and finally, there was no vote at all -- because only 6 people were nominated for 7 seats, all self-nominees were simply seated *without* a decision-making process. I do think #2 is secondary, but it provides important context for #1. The local organization can do what it wants to; but when there are direct consequences to our broader movement at stake (in the form of Wikimania), I believe that gives us all a strong and legitimate interest in how things go. -Pete On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Risker wrote: I am saying that you are questioning the decision of an independent body to select a person for membership in the same way that he questioned the WMF for selecting a person he did not consider appropriate. In short, he sought a non-project sanction for on-project activities/concerns. I do not see a difference between that behaviour, and members of this list seeking a non-project sanction (i.e., removing someone from a chapter Board of Directors) for on-project activities/concerns, particularly when the on-project concern waswell, doing exactly what seems to be proposed here. Wikimedia chapters are not beholden to one specific project. There are hundreds of people banned or blocked on one WMF project who are active, respected members of other projects; in fact, even on English Wikipedia, appropriate and valued work in another WMF project or area is usually considered a mitigating factor when a user requests review of a sanction. (For the record, I am a member of the Arbitration Committee that voted to ban the user in question, and did support a ban.) Risker/Anne On 7 October 2011 11:22, Sandra sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: I dont understand what ur trying to express. Can u possibly clarify. Are you saying that this person should be allowed to represent the community in an official capacity even though he has been recently banned for inappropriate behavior and breaking community guidelines? I just want to make sure that im understanding your point of view correctly. On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I would recommend considerable caution in discussing this issue on this mailing list. One of the key harassment issues was that the now-banned user attempted to contact the WMF about another user whom he believed to beemployed by the WMF under some form of grant or contract. It raises an interesting question that some here would think it appropriate to try to affect that person's position in a Wikimedia chapter because of the English Wikipedia ban; it is parallel to the situation for which the user was banned in the first place. At least one other party under conditional sanctions in the same case is an active and respected member of this mailing list, and I can respect that it would be difficult for that individual to have this matter dissected here. Please proceed with caution. Risker/Anne On 7 October 2011 09:55, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: Currently banned and I think it wasn't that long ago. lets wait till aude responds to see if there is a way this list can help. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Lowrey orangem...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the D.C. chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for things like harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like copyright violations. Banned in the past, and done their time; or currently banned? I've worked with ex-cons in the past. -- Michael J. Orange Mike Lowrey When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food and clothes. -- Desiderius Erasmus ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Sandra Ordonez Web Astronaut (503)866-2697 @Collaboracion Helping you rock out in the virtual, collaborative world. www.collaborativenation.com
Re: [Gendergap] washington dc
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I am saying that you are questioning the decision of an independent body to select a person for membership in the same way that he questioned the WMF for selecting a person he did not consider appropriate. In short, he sought a non-project sanction for on-project activities/concerns. I do not see a difference between that behaviour, and members of this list seeking a non-project sanction (i.e., removing someone from a chapter Board of Directors) for on-project activities/concerns, particularly when the on-project concern waswell, doing exactly what seems to be proposed here.I agree that we need to be sensitive in general about how we discuss these type of issues on a public mailing list. And in this case since one party to the case is an active participate to this mailing list, we need to take extra caution that we are not only hearing one side of the story. That said, I don't think that it is actually a parallel comparison. We don't want users escalating disputes by calling employers because it can have loads of negative repercussions for Wikipedia as well as the person who is reported. But I see no reason that users shouldn't take into consideration whether they support having someone who has been banned on one WMF project in a position of trust in a WMF related organization or another wiki. ArbCom does the same type of thing when it vets users for positions of trust such as checkuser. People take into account an users past history when they vote for steward or WMF Board members. So, I don't have a problem with someone raising a concern about it in this situation. Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikimedia chapters are not beholden to one specific project. There are hundreds of people banned or blocked on one WMF project who are active, respected members of other projects; in fact, even on English Wikipedia, appropriate and valued work in another WMF project or area is usually considered a mitigating factor when a user requests review of a sanction. (For the record, I am a member of the Arbitration Committee that voted to ban the user in question, and did support a ban.) Risker/Anne On 7 October 2011 11:22, Sandra sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: I dont understand what ur trying to express. Can u possibly clarify. Are you saying that this person should be allowed to represent the community in an official capacity even though he has been recently banned for inappropriate behavior and breaking community guidelines? I just want to make sure that im understanding your point of view correctly. On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I would recommend considerable caution in discussing this issue on this mailing list. One of the key harassment issues was that the now-banned user attempted to contact the WMF about another user whom he believed to beemployed by the WMF under some form of grant or contract. It raises an interesting question that some here would think it appropriate to try to affect that person's position in a Wikimedia chapter because of the English Wikipedia ban; it is parallel to the situation for which the user was banned in the first place. At least one other party under conditional sanctions in the same case is an active and respected member of this mailing list, and I can respect that it would be difficult for that individual to have this matter dissected here. Please proceed with caution. Risker/Anne On 7 October 2011 09:55, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: Currently banned and I think it wasn't that long ago. lets wait till aude responds to see if there is a way this list can help. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Lowrey orangem...@gmail.com orangem...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the D.C. chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for things like harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like copyright violations. Banned in the past, and done their time; or currently banned? I've worked with ex-cons in the past. -- Michael J. Orange Mike Lowrey When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food and clothes. -- Desiderius Erasmus ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orgGendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- *Sandra Ordonez* *Web Astronaut* (503)866-2697 @Collaboracion Helping you rock out in the virtual, collaborative world. * http://www.collaborativenation.comwww.collaborativenation.com* ___ Gendergap mailing
Re: [Gendergap] washington dc
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I am saying that you are questioning the decision of an independent body to select a person for membership in the same way that he questioned the WMF for selecting a person he did not consider appropriate. In short, he sought a non-project sanction for on-project activities/concerns. I do not see a difference between that behaviour, and members of this list seeking a non-project sanction (i.e., removing someone from a chapter Board of Directors) for on-project activities/concerns, particularly when the on-project concern waswell, doing exactly what seems to be proposed here. my comment that mixed with Risker'sI agree that we need to be sensitive in general about how we discuss these type of issues on a public mailing list. And in this case since one party to the case is an active participate to this mailing list, we need to take extra caution that we are not only hearing one side of the story. That said, I don't think that it is actually a parallel comparison. We don't want users escalating disputes by calling employers because it can have loads of negative repercussions for Wikipedia as well as the person who is reported. But I see no reason that users shouldn't take into consideration whether they support having someone who has been banned on one WMF project in a position of trust in a WMF related organization or another wiki. ArbCom does the same type of thing when it vets users for positions of trust such as checkuser. People take into account an users past history when they vote for steward or WMF Board members. So, I don't have a problem with someone raising a concern about it in this situation. Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikimedia chapters are not beholden to one specific project. There are hundreds of people banned or blocked on one WMF project who are active, respected members of other projects; in fact, even on English Wikipedia, appropriate and valued work in another WMF project or area is usually considered a mitigating factor when a user requests review of a sanction. (For the record, I am a member of the Arbitration Committee that voted to ban the user in question, and did support a ban.) Risker/Anne On 7 October 2011 11:22, Sandra sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: I dont understand what ur trying to express. Can u possibly clarify. Are you saying that this person should be allowed to represent the community in an official capacity even though he has been recently banned for inappropriate behavior and breaking community guidelines? I just want to make sure that im understanding your point of view correctly. On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I would recommend considerable caution in discussing this issue on this mailing list. One of the key harassment issues was that the now-banned user attempted to contact the WMF about another user whom he believed to beemployed by the WMF under some form of grant or contract. It raises an interesting question that some here would think it appropriate to try to affect that person's position in a Wikimedia chapter because of the English Wikipedia ban; it is parallel to the situation for which the user was banned in the first place. At least one other party under conditional sanctions in the same case is an active and respected member of this mailing list, and I can respect that it would be difficult for that individual to have this matter dissected here. Please proceed with caution. Risker/Anne On 7 October 2011 09:55, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: Currently banned and I think it wasn't that long ago. lets wait till aude responds to see if there is a way this list can help. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Lowrey orangem...@gmail.com orangem...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Sandra ordonez sandratordo...@gmail.com sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the D.C. chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for things like harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like copyright violations. Banned in the past, and done their time; or currently banned? I've worked with ex-cons in the past. -- Michael J. Orange Mike Lowrey When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food and clothes. -- Desiderius Erasmus ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orgGendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- *Sandra Ordonez* *Web Astronaut* (503)866-2697 @Collaboracion Helping you rock out in the virtual, collaborative world. *
[Gendergap] banned/blocked users - was: Re: washington dc
I think it just shows another aspect of Wikimedia that I think needs a better examination - banning and blocks and activities of those members on other projects. Extended blockings (1 year) and bannings mean that a user can't participate on that one project - but they are welcome to participate in other projects. I know many folks say Oh, assume good faith - perhaps they'll come back after their block a better, happier, healthier contributor! or They might be messed up online but they're not offline, (sorry Chris!) but this has not quite been what I have seen. I've seen members banned or blocked on en.WP go to have unhealthy and unstable relationships with the community on other projects, continue to express rage and even at times sociopathic behavior to WMF and editors outside of projects, and so forth. I've had an en.WP user stalk and verbally attack me off of Wikipedia (including sexual harassment on social networking sites) to the point where I am seriously afraid that if I see this user show up at WIkimania next year or a regional event (he's regional to where I live) I won't know if I'll be able to stay. This user currently contributes to other projects that I am active on and makes a point to comment only on statements I say (in certain arenas), leave comments on my talk page, and continue to try to get my attention in other manners, including on IRC - where the user talks to people I consider friends about me to them in order to convince them that I'm not an adequate contributor. As someone who survived an extremely abusive relationship, the last thing I want to do is worry about my personal safety and the safety of others when attending events, editing or contributing, or just hanging out online. I didn't know how to deal with it when it happened, and I still don't. It's an unsettling experience. And while the survey I am preparing to wrap up confirms what the editor survey said - most (female) users don't have problems with users escalate, just under half have. Assuming good faith isn't always possible when anger management, mental instability and off wiki or offline experiences just solidify that some of these people do have problems. And while many users often sit in the background and let the aggressive users like I've outlined above keep on keepin' on - they continue to suffer silently, and those who speak out actively have to suffer with even stronger and more prominent attacks. Sorry to get so emotional about it, it's just...really frustrating for me.. -Sarah Stierch On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I am saying that you are questioning the decision of an independent body to select a person for membership in the same way that he questioned the WMF for selecting a person he did not consider appropriate. In short, he sought a non-project sanction for on-project activities/concerns. I do not see a difference between that behaviour, and members of this list seeking a non-project sanction (i.e., removing someone from a chapter Board of Directors) for on-project activities/concerns, particularly when the on-project concern waswell, doing exactly what seems to be proposed here.I agree that we need to be sensitive in general about how we discuss these type of issues on a public mailing list. And in this case since one party to the case is an active participate to this mailing list, we need to take extra caution that we are not only hearing one side of the story. That said, I don't think that it is actually a parallel comparison. We don't want users escalating disputes by calling employers because it can have loads of negative repercussions for Wikipedia as well as the person who is reported. But I see no reason that users shouldn't take into consideration whether they support having someone who has been banned on one WMF project in a position of trust in a WMF related organization or another wiki. ArbCom does the same type of thing when it vets users for positions of trust such as checkuser. People take into account an users past history when they vote for steward or WMF Board members. So, I don't have a problem with someone raising a concern about it in this situation. Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikimedia chapters are not beholden to one specific project. There are hundreds of people banned or blocked on one WMF project who are active, respected members of other projects; in fact, even on English Wikipedia, appropriate and valued work in another WMF project or area is usually considered a mitigating factor when a user requests review of a sanction. (For the record, I am a member of the Arbitration Committee that voted to ban the user in question, and did support a ban.) Risker/Anne On 7 October 2011 11:22, Sandra sandratordo...@gmail.com wrote: I dont understand what ur trying to express. Can u possibly clarify. Are you saying
[Gendergap] Fwd: [Ticket#2011100710013059] Pictorial Depictions
Hi, I'm writing with regard to the topics raised in the email trail below. Any thoughts or comments on the topics raised would be great. Thanks in advance, and regards, Leilah -- Forwarded message -- From: leilah ozaibi email.lei...@gmail.com Date: 7 October 2011 16:47 Subject: Re: [Ticket#2011100710013059] Pictorial Depictions To: Wikimedia Commons Information Team info-comm...@wikimedia.org OK! Thanks! Presumably there is no other way for me. Have a good weekend. Leilah On 7 October 2011 16:43, Wikimedia Commons Information Team info-comm...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear Leilah Ozaibi, I simply handle releases for images and issues using Commons and am not an employee. Your emails are only seen by myself and it would be best to post ideas to the mailing list: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap Yours sincerely, Aaron Adrignola -- Wikimedia Commons - http://commons.wikimedia.org --- Disclaimer: all mail to this address is answered by volunteers, and responses are not to be considered an official statement of the Wikimedia Foundation. For official correspondence, please contact the Wikimedia Foundation by certified mail at the address listed on http://www.wikimediafoundation.org ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] washington dc
On 7 October 2011 12:03, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I am saying that you are questioning the decision of an independent body to select a person for membership in the same way that he questioned the WMF for selecting a person he did not consider appropriate. In short, he sought a non-project sanction for on-project activities/concerns. I do not see a difference between that behaviour, and members of this list seeking a non-project sanction (i.e., removing someone from a chapter Board of Directors) for on-project activities/concerns, particularly when the on-project concern waswell, doing exactly what seems to be proposed here.I agree that we need to be sensitive in general about how we discuss these type of issues on a public mailing list. And in this case since one party to the case is an active participate to this mailing list, we need to take extra caution that we are not only hearing one side of the story. That said, I don't think that it is actually a parallel comparison. We don't want users escalating disputes by calling employers because it can have loads of negative repercussions for Wikipedia as well as the person who is reported. But I see no reason that users shouldn't take into consideration whether they support having someone who has been banned on one WMF project in a position of trust in a WMF related organization or another wiki. ArbCom does the same type of thing when it vets users for positions of trust such as checkuser. People take into account an users past history when they vote for steward or WMF Board members. So, I don't have a problem with someone raising a concern about it in this situation. Sydney, I'd agree with you if the employer involved wasn't the WMF. There is much that has not been sorted out between various layers of the intersecting WMF communities; it's commonplace and quite acceptable on some projects to criticize the actions of WMF employees directly (indeed, there's a goodly chunk of it on the English Wikipedia), and there have been fairly regular and public calls for the dismissal or sanctioning of WMF employees. Now, I don't think that's a great working environment, but certainly the widely held overall community view is that WMF employees sort of work on behalf of the community as a whole, and that their actions reflect on the movement/community as a whole. In fact, that is essentially what is being argued for in this case, with the exception that it's a chapter member and not a WMF employee involved. However, that viewpoint was soundly repudiated in this particular arbitration case; ironically, the position being taken by members of this mailing list effectively contradict the ruling that has led to the sanctions that the members of this list have expressed a concern about. That is what I am getting at here. Risker/Anne ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Nobel Peace Prize Winners
Hi folks, It was brought up on WP:XX that it's worth monitoring the articles of the recent winners of the Nobel Peace Prize, which includes three women: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Johnson_Sirleaf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leymah_Gbowee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawakel_Karman Amazing people to learn about also if you're interested =) Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Supporting Campus Ambassador programs [Fwd: Issue of Copy-Pasting]
Lennart's exactly correct: The primary goal of our program is to improve the content of Wikipedia by reaching out to academia. We're of course very excited if a student becomes a Wikipedian (and many have), but that's not our primary goal. And yes, our students do get slapped on the hand for failing to follow Wikipedia policies to the letter--just like all other new contributors do. One key difference, though, is our students have access to Campus and Online Ambassadors, who are able to encourage them to fix any problems -- they are a mentoring role to the new editors who provide that crucial welcoming voice from the community. Copyright, notability, and other issues are covered during in-class and out-of-class Wikipedia labs with students, and they're given reference materials about the policies, but not all students listen the first time around -- that's just part of working with people. :) In terms of mentoring female Campus and Online Ambassadors -- please do! And feel free to encourage any female students as well. Links to our three programs operating right now: http://enwp.org/WP:USEDU http://enwp.org/WP:CANADAEDU http://enwp.org/WP:INDIAEDU LiAnna On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote: Sarah's conclusions are in sync with what I've heard from the team at the Wikimedia Foundation. But, and that's a crucial point, the goal with the collaborations with the universites is not to make everyone a Wikipedian. I know, that may be strange or counter-intuitive. It certainly was for me. Instead, the goal is to increase the quality of those articles that they university courses are working on, and if some of those who edited during the course stays on as Wikipedians, that's terrific, but it cannot be the goal. I am sure that Frank Schulenburg, Rod Dunican, LiAnna Davis or the other people in the (now) Global Education team can provide more insight into their original thinking. Or Pete Forsythe, for that matter, who I know is on this list. I know that is but one of the aspects of Sarah's email, but it's the one aspect I know something about :-) Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ -- Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 10:30:10 -0400 From: sarah.stie...@gmail.com To: fredb...@fairpoint.net; gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Supporting Campus Ambassador programs [Fwd: Issue of Copy-Pasting] I took some time last week and actually went through the female editors (many of the students openly identify their real names and/or genders) participating in class programs. 1) Most don't edit Wikipedia after the class is over - and this goes beyond gender. I determined this by studying their user contributions and also using a tool to examine contributions and gender for specific WikiProjects (specifically WP:Public art which developed as a program with students before the Campus Ambassador program existed) 2) A nice amount of them generally get slaps on the hand for their lack of understanding on How Wikipedia Works I'm not sure if this means that something in the system is broken (i.e. we're not educating students and professors on how Wikipedia works write, we're not providing ongoing outreach - which seems to be a problem in a lot of areas of WP outreach...), that the students genuinely have no interest (and that's fine, they are forced to do it, after all), or what.. Some of these problems involve image deletion (due to lack of understanding on how fair use/copyright works in Wikipedia), article deletion, blocking of accounts, or just plain calling people out on their talk pages. I didn't gather all this information in a pile - I've looked at upwards of a thousand female editors accounts over the past two weeks - but, it's there, if you dig around a bit. -Sarah On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote: Help is needed. Fred --- Original Message Subject: Issue of Copy-Pasting From:Hisham his...@wikimedia.org Date:Fri, October 7, 2011 7:46 am To: Wikipedia Ambassadors India wikipedia-ambassadors-in...@googlegroups.com wikipedia-online-ambassad...@googlegroups.com - Hi Team This problem is continuing and is fast approaching disaster proportions. Please see these comments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program#Queries_from_the_Wikipedia_community and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Ambassadors#Concerns_over_impact_on_article_quality Please urgently do the following a) Constantly repeat to every
Re: [Gendergap] banned/blocked users - was: Re: washington dc
I think it just shows another aspect of Wikimedia that I think needs a better examination - banning and blocks and activities of those members on other projects. Extended blockings (1 year) and bannings mean that a user can't participate on that one project - but they are welcome to participate in other projects. I know many folks say Oh, assume good faith - perhaps they'll come back after their block a better, happier, healthier contributor! or They might be messed up online but they're not offline, (sorry Chris!) but this has not quite been what I have seen. I've seen members banned or blocked on en.WP go to have unhealthy and unstable relationships with the community on other projects, continue to express rage and even at times sociopathic behavior to WMF and editors outside of projects, and so forth. I've had an en.WP user stalk and verbally attack me off of Wikipedia (including sexual harassment on social networking sites) to the point where I am seriously afraid that if I see this user show up at WIkimania next year or a regional event (he's regional to where I live) I won't know if I'll be able to stay. This user currently contributes to other projects that I am active on and makes a point to comment only on statements I say (in certain arenas), leave comments on my talk page, and continue to try to get my attention in other manners, including on IRC - where the user talks to people I consider friends about me to them in order to convince them that I'm not an adequate contributor. As someone who survived an extremely abusive relationship, the last thing I want to do is worry about my personal safety and the safety of others when attending events, editing or contributing, or just hanging out online. I didn't know how to deal with it when it happened, and I still don't. It's an unsettling experience. And while the survey I am preparing to wrap up confirms what the editor survey said - most (female) users don't have problems with users escalate, just under half have. Assuming good faith isn't always possible when anger management, mental instability and off wiki or offline experiences just solidify that some of these people do have problems. And while many users often sit in the background and let the aggressive users like I've outlined above keep on keepin' on - they continue to suffer silently, and those who speak out actively have to suffer with even stronger and more prominent attacks. Sorry to get so emotional about it, it's just...really frustrating for me.. -Sarah Stierch And while many users often sit in the background and let the aggressive users like I've outlined above keep on keepin' on Right there is the coalface. The problem is the facilitators and the enablers, not the nuts. Fred ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: [Ticket#2011100710013059] Pictorial Depictions
You say, Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality? Yes, and we do discuss that here. One train of thought is to use images of people as they are rather than idealized images. Fred ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: [Ticket#2011100710013059] Pictorial Depictions
Yes, and a consistent approach would then evolve - ? On 7 October 2011 21:00, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: You say, Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality? Yes, and we do discuss that here. One train of thought is to use images of people as they are rather than idealized images. Fred ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: [Ticket#2011100710013059] Pictorial Depictions
Hi Why is an OTRS ticket being discussed on a public mailing list? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the ticket info and address were supposed to be private, unless otherwise noted, no? Regards Theo On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:59 AM, leilah ozaibi email.lei...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, and a consistent approach would then evolve - ? On 7 October 2011 21:00, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: You say, Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality? Yes, and we do discuss that here. One train of thought is to use images of people as they are rather than idealized images. Fred ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: [Ticket#2011100710013059] Pictorial Depictions
Hi Why is an OTRS ticket being discussed on a public mailing list? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the ticket info and address were supposed to be private, unless otherwise noted, no? Regards Theo I didn't see anything confidential here. OTRS referred her to this list. Fred ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: [Ticket#2011100710013059] Pictorial Depictions
Theo - From what I understand, the agent told the customer (Leilah Ozaibi) to bring the subject up on the gender gap list. Leilah forwarded it - she is the person who inquired to OTRS. So it's in her control - it wasn't forwarded by an OTRS agent, be assured! -Sarah On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Why is an OTRS ticket being discussed on a public mailing list? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the ticket info and address were supposed to be private, unless otherwise noted, no? Regards Theo On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:59 AM, leilah ozaibi email.lei...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, and a consistent approach would then evolve - ? On 7 October 2011 21:00, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: You say, Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality? Yes, and we do discuss that here. One train of thought is to use images of people as they are rather than idealized images. Fred ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Supporting Campus Ambassador programs [Fwd: Issue of Copy-Pasting]
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: I took some time last week and actually went through the female editors (many of the students openly identify their real names and/or genders) participating in class programs. 1) Most don't edit Wikipedia after the class is over - and this goes beyond gender. I determined this by studying their user contributions and also using a tool to examine contributions and gender for specific WikiProjects (specifically WP:Public art which developed as a program with students before the Campus Ambassador program existed) 2) A nice amount of them generally get slaps on the hand for their lack of understanding on How Wikipedia Works I'm not sure if this means that something in the system is broken (i.e. we're not educating students and professors on how Wikipedia works write, we're not providing ongoing outreach - which seems to be a problem in a lot of areas of WP outreach...), that the students genuinely have no interest (and that's fine, they are forced to do it, after all), or what.. A few weeks back, a local women's college asked for a campus ambassador, and they ended up with Protonk and me, because we were what was available. My wife recalled the joke that had been made during our Campus Ambassador training: that (judging by the experience levels of the people in the room) becoming an active Wikipedian turned you male and bearded. None of us was happy about the underlying reality, but the joke underlined the reality in a non-threatening way. -- Michael J. Orange Mike Lowrey When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food and clothes. -- Desiderius Erasmus ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Oh, painters
This is a gallery page, which is slightly different than a category, in that it is hand-curated. There are thousands of gallery pages on Commons that share the same scope as a category, so I don't think there's anything wrong with it existing. Per Commons:Galleries: Categories should contain /all/ files related to the subject while galleries should contain /a sample/ of files related to the subject. Ideally, galleries should contain the best of what we have. Gallery pages are quite neglected on Commons and most people don't care about them and rarely use them. You guys should feel free to go crazy cleaning them up or adding to them. The Painters gallery for example has only been touched by 2 editors in its entire 5-edit history. Ryan Kaldari On 10/7/11 2:39 PM, Risker wrote: On 7 October 2011 17:22, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com mailto:sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: I never knew all painters were male ;-) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Painters Hmmm. That page shouldn't exist, because there is already the category of painters, with hundreds of entries. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Painters Perhaps one of the Commons editors might wish to address that. Risker/Anne ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
