[Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should there be a Wikipedia boycott over the lack of an image filter?

2012-05-30 Thread Andreas Kolbe
From Larry Sanger's blog: ---o0o--- I want to start a conversation. [...Larry says, in his blog] I. Problem? What problem? So, you didn’t know that Wikipedia has a porn problem? Let me say what I do not mean by “Wikipedia’s porn problem.” I do not mean simply that Wikipedia has a lot of porn.

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should there be a Wikipedia boycott over the lack of an image filter?

2012-05-30 Thread Caroline Becker
What is the relationship with gender-gap ? Are female children more unlikely to contribute to Wikimedia projects if they saw some porn on Wikipedia or Commons ? Caroline 2012/5/30 Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com From Larry Sanger's blog: ---o0o--- I want to start a conversation.

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should there be a Wikipedia boycott over the lack of an image filter?

2012-05-30 Thread Laura Hale
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Caroline Becker carobecke...@gmail.comwrote: What is the relationship with gender-gap ? Are female children more unlikely to contribute to Wikimedia projects if they saw some porn on Wikipedia or Commons ? Caroline This was something we discussed at

[Gendergap] Outcomes for WikiWomenCamp

2012-05-30 Thread Laura Hale
WikiWomenCamp was a very valuable experience for those of us that attended. We all learned a great deal, had the opportunity to network with other women and, by and large had our participation with the movement validated as a positive thing. I also believe, having talked to several participants

Re: [Gendergap] Outcomes for WikiWomenCamp

2012-05-30 Thread Nathan
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: *Wikimedia specific outcomes:* * A mailing list will be created for support in English and Spanish where women can ask for help with harassment they are dealing with on Wikipedia and offered solutions. A private mailing

Re: [Gendergap] Outcomes for WikiWomenCamp

2012-05-30 Thread Risker
Thank you for the report, Laura. It sounds like there were some very productive discussions. I look forward to seeing the list of reasons women don't participate on Wiki(p)(m)edia projects. I would encourage caution about the mailing list, for the same reasons as Nathan indicated, and would

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should there be a Wikipedia boycott over the lack of an image filter?

2012-05-30 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Caroline Becker carobecke...@gmail.comwrote: What is the relationship with gender-gap ? Are female children more unlikely to contribute to Wikimedia projects if they saw some porn on

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should gender gappers really pay attention?

2012-05-30 Thread Laura Hale
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: I believe issues relating to pornography are germane to a list discussing the gender gap, and I'm happy to be informed about them (as with Andreas' initial post) on this list. It's one of the reasons I subscribe to this

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should there be a Wikipedia boycott over the lack of an image filter?

2012-05-30 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: For an example of a woman exasperated by Wikipedia's handling of sexual content, see this post http://www.junkland.net/2011/11/donkey-punch-or-how-i-tried-to-fight.html by blogger Penny Sociologist, which my wife

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should there be a Wikipedia boycott over the lack of an image filter?

2012-05-30 Thread Nathan
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:46 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: That is, in my opinion, an actionable user behavior problem, even without the gender related issues. Those clearly make it worse, of course. I will go look it up later, but it's probably too stale to do

Re: [Gendergap] Outcomes for WikiWomenCamp

2012-05-30 Thread Laura Hale
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for the report, Laura. It sounds like there were some very productive discussions. I look forward to seeing the list of reasons women don't participate on Wiki(p)(m)edia projects. I would encourage caution about

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should gender gappers really pay attention?

2012-05-30 Thread Pete Forsyth
On May 30, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Laura Hale wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: I believe issues relating to pornography are germane to a list discussing the gender gap, and I'm happy to be informed about them (as with Andreas' initial post) on

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should gender gappers really pay attention?

2012-05-30 Thread Laura Hale
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: On May 30, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Laura Hale wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.comwrote: I believe issues relating to pornography are germane to a list discussing the gender gap, and

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should there be a Wikipedia boycott over the lack of an image filter?

2012-05-30 Thread Ryan Kaldari
The best way to make sure an image filter is never implemented on Wikipedia is to have Larry Sanger endorse it :P Ryan Kaldari On 5/30/12 9:01 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: From Larry Sanger's blog: ---o0o--- I want to start a conversation. [...Larry says, in his blog] I. Problem? What problem?

[Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-30 Thread John Vandenberg
What research is needed? We have academics across the world who want to do research on Wikimedia. What questions can we put to the researchers in order to obtain a better understanding of * why women don't contribute? * what would help them contribute? * other? -- John Vandenberg

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should gender gappers really pay attention?

2012-05-30 Thread Valerie Aurora
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: I believe issues relating to pornography are germane to a list discussing the gender gap, and I'm happy to be informed about them (as with

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should gender gappers really pay attention?

2012-05-30 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: So yes, systematic bias can be overcome by encouraging the growth of female contributors. The failure to attract women contributors to editing Wikipedia across various languages has little to do with that. I am

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-30 Thread Béria Lima
I think that better than ask why people don't contribute, is better tell them why SHOULD they? For us is easier to pass by the fact that not everyone knows why they should contribute. We should give they as much info as possible to make them a contributor, not asking why they don't do it.

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Should there be a Wikipedia boycott over the lack of an image filter?

2012-05-30 Thread Kim Osman
Hi all, I am a new contributor to Wikipedia and read Larry's blog post and the subsequent discussion on this list with great interest. My first thought was that this indeed is a red herring in terms of addressing the gendergap, however in my limited editing experience I do at times feel like

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Where is the pornography?

2012-05-30 Thread Laura Hale
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Kim Osman kim.os...@qut.edu.au wrote: My first thought was that this indeed is a red herring in terms of addressing the gendergap, however in my limited editing experience I do at times feel like Wikipedia is a boys' club, and perhaps the prevalence of

[Gendergap] Reminder: AdaCamp DC applications are open

2012-05-30 Thread Valerie Aurora
Hello Gender Gappers, Just a reminder that applications for AdaCamp DC are still open! We've accepted about 75 applications and have room for 75 - 125 more people. Deadline to request childcare is June 8, deadline for all applications is June 29, conference is July 10 - 11. Apply early in case

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Where is the pornography?

2012-05-30 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Here are results of a multimedia search for human female in Wikipedia (NSFW): http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchlimit=250offset=100redirs=0profile=imagessearch=human+female Did you look at the examples Larry mentioned in his post? There are many more: e.g.

Re: [Gendergap] Larry Sanger's blog post: Where is the pornography?

2012-05-30 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: I edit Wikipedia a lot.  I probably spend more time than I should editing Wikipedia.  Can I ask where there is a prevalence of pornography on Wikipedia?  I honestly can't think of a single time I have come across it when

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-30 Thread John Vandenberg
Hi Beria, Which motivation methods do you think work well? On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: I think that better than ask why people don't contribute, is better tell them why SHOULD they? For us is easier to pass by the fact that not everyone knows