Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: As I have said before, I am happy to work with you or anyone on drafting a better policy. (I realize you offered a two word edit, but in my

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Russavia
Hello again Andreas On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: If you look at the upload stream, they come up quite regularly, including images of minors, uploaded again and again under different user names, according to a mail I received from Philippe a couple

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Katherine Casey
Russavia and Andreas, I want to take this opportunity to point out that the style of argument the two of you have been engaged in since last night is exactly what some of us mean when we refer to an aggressive atmosphere that makes us uncomfortable on the projects. Turning a disagreement over how

[Gendergap] avoiding another categorygate

2013-05-13 Thread Ryan Kaldari
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Feminism#Help_cleaning_up_Category:Prostitutes Ryan Kaldari ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] avoiding another categorygate

2013-05-13 Thread Katherine Casey
Allegations of prostitution are allegations of illegal activities in many jurisdictions, which makes any unsourced edits accusing people in those jurisdictions of prostitution potentially libelous. I'm going to look over the category myself, but please please, anyone else who does so (or already

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: To me the wording of the board resolution is clear as is stands. Erik has further clarified it. However, present practice in Commons does not follow it. So if these three words help make the intended meaning clearer,

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: The resolution as worded requires that any photo of a person in a private place, or with an expectation of privacy, carry a declaration of consent. It does not specify consent to what, and there is no broadly agreed

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On 5/13/13 2:58 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: there is no broadly agreed model of what that consent form might look like. Actually there is: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Consent So images like this one would have to be deleted:

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 5/13/13 2:58 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: there is no broadly agreed model of what that consent form might look like. Actually there is: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Consent That looks better than I

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On 5/13/13 5:03 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: So images like this one would have to be deleted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Michelle_and_Barack_Obama_paint_at_a_Habitat_for_Humanity_site.jpg That image should be tagged with {{consent|published}}, which states the following:

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Russavia
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Pete, that photograph is from The Official White House Photostream. This rather implies that the subjects or their representatives waived their reasonable expectation of privacy. The cucumber lady, however, DID NOT, and

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.comwrote: It merely states (paraphrasing) images of people in a private setting OR with an expectation of privacy. The OR inserted above is important to the paraphrase -- it's one of the things that often gets missed in

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Russavia
Also, I will say this out in the open. What I wrote just previous to this is EXACTLY why we on Commons have allowed ourselves to be guided by common sense and our community drafted policies, rather the potentially destructive Board resolution. I will also make it known that I sent emails to Sue

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Russavia
Right Pete, It is an important distinction to make, thanks for that. For example A person in the UK is having a meal in a restaurant. It's not exactly a private setting is it? Do they have an expectation of privacy? Read

[Gendergap] can the Commons images thread move?

2013-05-13 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2013-May/thread.html shows me that Topless image retention -don't give up has stretched on pretty long, and it seems to me like it might be better suited to onwiki discussion instead. Maybe the posters who are very interested in engaging in that

Re: [Gendergap] can the Commons images thread move?

2013-05-13 Thread Carol Moore DC
I second your proposal. On 5/13/2013 9:36 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2013-May/thread.html shows me that Topless image retention -don't give up has stretched on pretty long, and it seems to me like it might be better suited to onwiki discussion

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-13 Thread Sarah
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: The cucumber ladies still have their pictures on Commons, even though the Flickr account the images were scraped from has long been deleted: (SFW:) http://www.flickr.com/photos/phoenixontherise/6092639951/ I've