[Gendergap] Holly Graf

2012-06-18 Thread Andreas Kolbe
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Holly_Grafoldid=476031995 This article, on a female Navy officer – apparently the first woman to command a cruiser in the history of the Navy – seems to exemplify some of the failings of what I call WP:ADAM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ADAM

Re: [Gendergap] Holly Graf

2012-06-18 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Seems like another 1E candidate. The over-emphasis on the controversy at the end of her career can be addressed by wiping out most of the detail, or by

Re: [Gendergap] Holly Graf

2012-06-18 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Jun 18, 2012 4:38 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: your efforts and the efforts of other men like Andreas are probably better spent improving the article about her to remove this material. Are there efforts you would recommend for women that are different, Laura? Pete

Re: [Gendergap] Holly Graf

2012-06-18 Thread Russavia
Is that an edit of the article, or a whitewashing of the article? It turns out that she is most notable for the relief of command, and the blanket removal of material from the article is not adhering to WP:UNDUE, but seems more to be a whitewashing of the article. What you have done is removed

Re: [Gendergap] Holly Graf

2012-06-18 Thread Ryan Kaldari
WP:BLP: Given their potential impact on biography subjects' lives, biographies must be balanced and fair to their subjects... regardless of what the media chooses to focus on. Clearly the article should mention the relief of command and the circumstances around it (apparently she had a

Re: [Gendergap] Holly Graf

2012-06-18 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.comwrote: Is that an edit of the article, or a whitewashing of the article? It turns out that she is most notable for the relief of command, and the blanket removal of material from the article is not adhering to WP:UNDUE,

Re: [Gendergap] Holly Graf

2012-06-18 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 6/18/2012 9:29 AM, Nathan wrote: Seems like another 1E candidate. The over-emphasis on the controversy at the end of her career can be addressed by wiping out most of the detail, or by removing the article entirely (since the notability argument is somewhat fragile, and all the references

Re: [Gendergap] Holly Graf

2012-06-18 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.netwrote: If the material is WP:Undue it can be reduced. If there is evidence that this was a case of males freaking at female orders, and there's WP:RS evidence of that, include it. If she was in fact abusive, we should