Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-27 Thread Netha Hussain
Hi everyone, Apologies for my bad English. English is not my mother tongue. Let us not use this mailing list to discuss religion. Let us concentrate on strategies to improve participation of women in Wikimedia projects instead. Thank you -- Netha Hussain User: Netha Hussain Student of

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-27 Thread Marc Riddell
on 9/27/11 5:02 PM, Netha Hussain at nethahuss...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Apologies for my bad English. English is not my mother tongue. Let us not use this mailing list to discuss religion. Let us concentrate on strategies to improve participation of women in Wikimedia projects instead.

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-27 Thread Fred Bauder
So you think we might get more done if we have the common sense not to discuss politics and religion? Fred Hi everyone, Apologies for my bad English. English is not my mother tongue. Let us not use this mailing list to discuss religion. Let us concentrate on strategies to improve

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-27 Thread Emily Monroe
Hmm. Perhaps, Fred, perhaps. ;-) From, Emily On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: So you think we might get more done if we have the common sense not to discuss politics and religion? Fred Hi everyone, Apologies for my bad English. English is

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-27 Thread carolmooredc
A bit less on nudity too which might appeal to/attract/encourage prurient interests under the guise of helpfulness ;-( On 9/27/2011 6:53 PM, Emily Monroe wrote: Hmm. Perhaps, Fred, perhaps. ;-) From, Emily On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-27 Thread Netha Hussain
Dear Fred, We have 'n' number of mailing lists and forums to discuss politics and religion. I am subscribing to many such mailing lists, and I take part in active discussion in them. But now that we are here in gender gap mailing list to discuss about women participation in Wikimedia projects,

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-24 Thread Sarah Stierch
I adore all of you people, really I do. From the bottom of my chaos Erishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_%28mythology%29loving heart... Do you want me to try to develop a Religion-L list? Because I have no shame in bringing out the WIKILOVE to make you people all snuggly and content with

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-24 Thread Emily Monroe
I wouldn't mind a religion-L list, if it means that the argument here ends. Michael, I wasn't defending people from being confronted, I was defending people from being confronted in a sarcastic manner, which is inappropriate in an online forum. From, Emily On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:31 AM,

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Arnaud HERVE
Ok I will be a bit long here. On 23/09/2011 01:07, Emily Monroe wrote: Personally, I really don't understand why people get upset about Islamic women /choosing/ to wear hijabs, or niqabs, under the pretense of feminism. Part of what feminism fights for is the right to choose. This is the

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Fred Bauder
This rant is inappropriate. Islam doesn't do tolerance, in the sense that we understand it. In Islam you cannot leave, it is death penalty if you chose another religion. There is a grain of truth in such accusations, but you ascribe them to the entire religion. A part of what we are doing here

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Arnaud HERVE
On 23/09/2011 16:23, Fred Bauder wrote: This rant is inappropriate. Mmh... Yes, ok, goodbye. Anyway this list has been concentrating on hte appearance of women, not on the participation of women of women to generic topics, which was what I was looking for when I first came. I will

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Arnaud, I think you should not underestimate the impact of poverty as compared to religion. Before the Western world became the 1st World, the typical Christian was just as intolerant, bigoted, and patriarchal as your most extreme Muslim. Once Westerners went from being peasants to

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Michael J. Lowrey
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Of course the Christian Bible still says that women are subservient to their husbands (as Michelle Bachmann recently reminded us). It also endorses slavery, says that adulterers must be put to death, and requires men

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Emily Monroe
Michael Lowry, what you just said was said was sarcastic and potentially uncivil. Arnaud, (if you can read this) if you are serious about unsubscribing, be my guest, but if you should resubscribe, please don't threaten to unsubscribe. Just do it. I asked my question under the assumption that a

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-23 Thread Michael J. Lowrey
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: Your religion includes  Roman Catholicism, the Church of Latter Day Saints, Christian Scientists, Watchtower Society, Russian Orthodox, Anglican, Coptic, Quakers, and Amish? Christianity, like Islam, has a lot of branches

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-22 Thread Arnaud HERVE
I am not sure this is strictly on-topic, but I thought it might be interesting concerning female appearance issues. We are starting presidential campaigns in France now, and there is a candidate for the right of women to wear the niqab (full clothing except for the eyes) Here is an article,

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-22 Thread Emily Monroe
Personally, I really don't understand why people get upset about Islamic women *choosing* to wear hijabs, or niqabs, under the pretense of feminism. Part of what feminism fights for is the right to choose. This is the unintended consequence. I get the practical arguments (ie, I don't know who

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-13 Thread carolmooredc
Couple thoughts: *A few moderate Muslim editors chiming in on some of the things we don't like either on Wikipedia wouldn't hurt. *It would be nice if the most obvious of corruption of liberal or libertarian views wasn't lascivious female nudity; but even the Christian Conservatives have come

[Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-07 Thread Arnaud HERVE
On 07/09/2011 04:02, Nathan wrote: Since we know that the gender gap exists in many cultures, and not just the U.S. or Europe, being aware of and sensitive to specific cultural biases takes on special merit here. Far more gratuitous nudity is not terribly uncommon throughout Western

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-07 Thread Sydney Poore
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net wrote: On 07/09/2011 04:02, Nathan wrote: Since we know that the gender gap exists in many cultures, and not just the U.S. or Europe, being aware of and sensitive to specific cultural biases takes on special merit

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-07 Thread Sydney Poore
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:24 AM, paolo massa pa...@gnuband.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net wrote: On 07/09/2011 04:02, Nathan wrote: If you have time you can have a look at the photos in pregnancy pages in Farsi and Arabic. You have the

Re: [Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

2011-09-07 Thread Helga Hansen
On 07.09.2011, at 13:15, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net wrote: On 07/09/2011 04:02, Nathan wrote: All this to explain to you that in Western Europe as it is now, the refusal to show nudity is becoming clearly