Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-06-01 Thread koltzenburg
Risker, agree with all three of your ideas. Q: Has any research been done re why people who grew up as girls take the leap of faith at all, in which way they arm themselves and what makes them stay on and remain active? my guess is that the official stats about the participation of women

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Nathan
What I'd like to see, and what I don't think has been done before, is a survey of editors as they are editing. By that I mean, when someone saves an edit, a box asks them What was the purpose of your edit? What made you decide to make this edit? If it was to correct an error, how were you alerted

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On 5/30/12 7:19 PM, Béria Lima wrote: I think that better than ask why people don't contribute, is better tell them why SHOULD they? For us is easier to pass by the fact that not everyone knows why they should contribute. We should give they as much info as possible to make them a contributor,

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Sarah Stierch
When I did my oh so not scientific survey about women who edit Wikipedia last year (and it was not an official WMF survey, this was just done by me, a concerned editor, and the process has changed since then, so don't plan on doing your own without going through WMF research processes, now)

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: Usually it's because they are busy. The smallest group - 2% said because of sexualized environments on wiki spaces. Which has led me to believe in the red herring theory about porn and Wikipedia. I think it's

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Pete Forsyth
On May 31, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Please consider the likelihood that there may be a correlation between the let-it-all-hang-out attitude towards porn, and the problem you describe as sexualized

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Michael J. Lowrey orangem...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Please consider the likelihood that there may be a correlation between the let-it-all-hang-out attitude towards porn, and the problem you

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* John Vandenberg wrote: What research is needed? We have academics across the world who want to do research on Wikimedia. What questions can we put to the researchers in order to obtain a better understanding of * why women don't contribute? * what would help them contribute? * other?

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Andreas Kolbe
The screenshots below are from a blog post by a girl geek going onto 4chan /b/. http://boards.4chan.org/b/ (probably NSFW) 4chan is the site that gave Wikipedia and the world its lolcats, as well as the saying, There are no girls on the Internet. As you'll no doubt see if you navigate to the

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Thomas Morton
Now, this dialogue illustrates how anonymous uncensored porn and sexist behaviour towards a woman can go together, and reinforce each other. The blog post the screenshots are taken from is here:

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Sarah Stierch
I agree! Pete, Kaldari and others have fought the good fight about that. I think some Things were developed on Commons and we tried to get more folks involved to no avail. I can't provide links this second. I tried my best with model releases (I worked in fashion and photography before I was a

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread John Vandenberg
Andreas, ffs can we have one thread where we don't talk about porn. Or if you do think porn is a part of the gendergap, pose research questions which will help test your hypothesis, because that is what this thread is about. I want research questions I can put to real academics. Not bullshit

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Andreas - you seem to have the belief that the pervasive exposure to pornography is having an adverse effect on community dynamics, and in particular is having a negative impact on the recruitment of women editors. Perhaps you

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Risker
On 31 May 2012 21:07, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Andreas - you seem to have the belief that the pervasive exposure to pornography is having an adverse effect on community dynamics, and in particular is having a

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not disagreeing with you, Andreas. I'm saying that I'd really prefer not to find that just about every thread on the gendergap list wasn't discussing pornography in some way. If you think the culture that pornography

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-31 Thread Béria Lima
* I suggest to you that distilling the gendergap issue down to pro-porn culture when participants in the WikiWomen camp don't even rate this issue in its top 10, and the majority of women participating in discussion over the last few days are saying that it might be an issue but it's not

[Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-30 Thread John Vandenberg
What research is needed? We have academics across the world who want to do research on Wikimedia. What questions can we put to the researchers in order to obtain a better understanding of * why women don't contribute? * what would help them contribute? * other? -- John Vandenberg

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-30 Thread Béria Lima
I think that better than ask why people don't contribute, is better tell them why SHOULD they? For us is easier to pass by the fact that not everyone knows why they should contribute. We should give they as much info as possible to make them a contributor, not asking why they don't do it.

Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research

2012-05-30 Thread John Vandenberg
Hi Beria, Which motivation methods do you think work well? On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: I think that better than ask why people don't contribute, is better tell them why SHOULD they? For us is easier to pass by the fact that not everyone knows