the archives of
Foundation-l), but there's never been very much support - and none at all on
Commons. Even the Board resolution only requires an affirmation from the
uploader that the subject gave consent.
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nb: despite the subject, this was sent to the list.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Laura, I've been meaning to ask you this -- have you talked to Siska
Doviana in Indonesia? She's run a couple university contests, and reported
on them. I'm not
and get some good perspective on what the problem is and
where it comes from. Whatever causes it on-wiki, we obviously haven't
escaped it here.
Nathan
P.S.: I often hear both men and women describe others as boys or
girls without meaning anything diminutive or emasculating, etc.
Maybe it's
/female is an incomplete gender spectrum). On the other
hand... In order to effect change and be more than an echo chamber,
you might need the other 91% of us.
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I looked at the discussion
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anonymous_(Street_Meat))
and didn't see personal remarks or innuendo. Can you point me to them?
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Migdia Chinea migdia.chi...@gmail.com wrote:
Not convinced by the AfD. Snow kept after less than 24 hours, based
on one substantial vote and a bunch of what he said votes that
didn't address whether college dating is so distinct a phenomena
that it needs to be treated separately from [[dating]]. A search
string of +college +dating is
The particular incident that prompted this thread has spawned a
request for an arbitration case, which apparently is likely to be
accepted.
I think this would be a really good opportunity for the committee to
make a difference with respect to enabling people with a long history
of rude
Unfortunately the list is public (there is a link to public archives
on the subscription page), and posts to it are collected by several
services that are unrelated to Wikimedia. Since the posts are stored
by private third parties, there is no good method for removing them.
You can try inquiring
will blend in fine.
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On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Rob gamali...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for bringing this to our (well, mine, anyway) attention. It
was troubling when it first showed up on BLPN in May and it's still
troubling that so many (all male, looks like) editors are missing the
point of BLP and UNDUE
. If that's true, it may mean that such
environmental issues are less crucial than is often thought.
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On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.comwrote:
I think it is relevant to our understanding of how the gender gap
developed on WMF wikis.
That was hard to pick up from the e-mail. :( I too
proposal as an example of I don't like it, I think the
fact that it failed demonstrates the power of a gigantic fanbase to distort
normal practice on a wiki.
~Nathan
[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashton_Kutcher#Twitter_presence
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. It might be a good idea to investigate the
pitfalls of that attempt to avoid running into similar issues.
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On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:46 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote:
That is, in my opinion, an actionable user behavior problem, even
without the gender related issues. Those clearly make it worse, of
course.
I will go look it up later, but it's probably too stale to do
I'm not convinced that sexual images is a gender gap issue. But my
non-expert opinion is that there is, or ought to be, a degree of feminist
interest in the problems of model releases and age verification. I've
always thought it strange that Andreas, and privatemusings before him,
focused
That can be true, but there are 13 circuits and a decision in one has force
only within its own jurisdiction. In any case, it's clear that Wikimedia is
not held to these rules, but that's rather beside the point. We should
*want* this information, whether we are required to have it or not.
Nathan
.
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What I'd like to see, and what I don't think has been done before, is a
survey of editors as they are editing. By that I mean, when someone saves
an edit, a box asks them What was the purpose of your edit? What made you
decide to make this edit? If it was to correct an error, how were you
alerted
than the
typical topics on this list. It's also in the nature of e-mail that anyone
disinterested in the controversial nexus of Wikimedia and sexuality could
ignore these posts and reply to their hearts content on other topics.
Nathan
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On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Adam Wight s...@ludd.net wrote:
Maybe I can point to another factoid which demonstrates a generative,
systematic bias: only 20% of notable person biographies on WP are about
women [1].
What should the ratio be?
~Nathan
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Seems like another 1E candidate. The over-emphasis on the controversy at
the end of her career can be addressed by wiping out most of the detail
of the anonymous sniping
can still be found in the linked references.
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and subordinates). So that might be
part of it, but there's no real way to establish that or include it in the
article. Given the sources and context, it did seem that the dismissal was
getting undue weight, so I reduced the coverage and I think the article is
in OK shape.
~Nathan
to gracefully do that you escalated each time. I don't see why, or
why you would think it necessary to bring further attention to your
behavior by posting it on this list.
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I wouldn't mind not seeing any of those userboxes on the projects,
but... userbox wars have wasted countless hours over the years. I was
tangentially involved in debates about the pedophilia/ephebophilia
boxes, the User supports Hamas (etc.) boxes and a few other debates,
and found that only the
Odd thing about the current Google search results for Bradley Manning.
It gives the title Bradley Manning with a link to the Chelsea
Manning page, which when followed is a redirect to Bradley Manning. SS
attached.
attachment: bradley manning google search result
This might be a dumb question, but are there any ongoing GenderGap
related efforts right now outside of content projects (i.e. other than
on a Wikipedia etc.)? Is there a thematic organization focused on it,
or any significant research or outreach grants or programs? It seems
like an obvious
It just seems like there is a lot of sort of low-hanging fruit
opportunity that the WMF could take advantage of if its serious about
really addressing the issue. Why not hire an activist of sorts to be
either a WMF employee or a grant funded contractor, who can develop
initiatives, speak at
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Sydney sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, with the narrowing focus last year the community will need to take the
lead. But from the meeting earlier this year it is clear that there
definitely is talented people on staff at WMF who are more than willing to
I think it's funny that most of the questions and answers are coming from
long-term Wikimedians, instead of non-Wikimedian redditors. Maybe there's
just so much overlap it's inevitable!
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Meh, it's a relic of a different era on Wikipedia. Almost all of the people
who have edited are, like GlassCobra, admins or former admins. Its also in
his userspace, not the Wikipedia: namespace.
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On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
Just for the record:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GlassCobra/Essays/Hotties_are_always_notableis
now the link. I've removed the shortcut because shortcuts are only
supposed to be used in Wikipedia space, and this
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
wrote:
Hi all,
I ran a few quick updates on Max's numbers today. As of 9/6/14:
* WIkidata has ~2080k items marked as people
* Of these, ~1893k have a gender property (91%)
(Magnus's games are doing an amazing job at
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
That said, I think the image has little chance of being featured on
Wikipedia anyway due to it being over-processed, but you're welcome to
nominate it.
Ryan Kaldari
He isn't welcome to, actually. He's been
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
The focus on technology here is very important. Right now, there is no
way for Wikimedians to control from whom they receive email this user
emails, or pings through the notification system. We know that both have
been,
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Valerie Aurora vale...@adainitiative.org
wrote:
I find this email, like many others of Shlomi's, to be creepy and
inappropriate.
-VAL
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 5:08 AM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org
wrote:
Hi Christine,
On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 22:16:17
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi there,
I'm flagging the major issues that need to be considered.
1) we can not promise anonymity for the people acting as adjudicators. Any
attempt to have anonymous people hearing a case will attract attention
be right to do
so, in my opinion, and you can do that without discouraging Emily from
posting her thoughts.
Nathan
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Leigh Honeywell le...@hypatia.ca wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Val,
The discussion at that point was about Internet commenters. As you may
know, that's not quite how Wikimedia projects work, and certainly
Hi Kathleen,
The only thing that I can see that is being considered for deletion is the
Category:Novels set in Namaqualand (which currently contains only the
article for [[October (novel)]]. The article about the novel itself does
not seem to be in danger of deletion. How can we help?
~Nathan
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Kathleen McCook klmcc...@gmail.com wrote:
I took off the scheduled for deletion notice or maybe it was lack of
notability he put up. I couldn't bear. I am fearful he will put it back.
This is the issue--how can a male editor decide a woman's novel is not
I'm sure you are right. The rules are not applied evenly across articles at
all. It's a myth, or common misconception, that Wikipedia is a system
that functions as we are used to institutional systems functioning. The
vast ruleset is just a toolbox, with tools that different people pick up
and use
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 9/9/2014 7:51 PM, LB wrote:
I'm going to keep at it, for now. Honestly, I'm tired of it being a mostly
internally discussed problem... Perhaps I'll change my mind at some point,
but that's my thinking on it
commend those who still care.
I love the Twitter feed, by the way.
Sarah
On Sep 10, 2014 8:41 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote
Hi Sarah, I'm sorry if I was unclear. I was understanding Carol as saying
that there were sexist comments in the ANI she linked (where Andreas'
quoted comment
Hi Sarah,
I don't see you as an outsider at all, and I hope most others don't either.
I'm happy to see some of your energy and dedication return to these efforts
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Why has this e-mail been crossposted to the gender gap list?
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Romana Busse romana.bu...@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Anthony (AGK)
I'm very sorry to bother you, but could I have a timeline with respect
to deletion, or not, of those images ?
With the welfare of the
Hello the moderators, I think the legal threats implied in this e-mail (and
the other) are sufficient to warrant moderating the sender.
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Romana Busse romana.bu...@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Mr. Davies
From
ArbCom is weak, and loathe to make any decision that might trigger a
backlash. They are incapable of dealing with serious, long-term problems
and seem able only to address minor issues that would otherwise resolve on
their own. The English Wikipedia is ungoverned and ungovernable, and the
norms of
It's really two issues - one, there was some disruption and misconduct
around the Gender Gap wikiproject that really got overblown a bit and never
needed to be an arbitration case to begin with. Granted that some of the
participants weren't really contributing in good faith, and that there was
a
I'm not sure I love the idea of asking people to identify with a gender or
sexuality when they haven't done so already. If they have already done so,
then the question is superfluous. Better to ask them their position on the
actual issue, and if they think there is anything arbcom or the project
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Tim Davenport shoehu...@gmail.com wrote:
(1) Political organizing should happen off wiki, not on wiki. This is just
as true for WikiProject Conservatism as it is for WikiProject Gender Gap
Task Force. Wikipedia is not the place. Go for it, just not there.
So as I was replying to Tim, it occurred to me that there wasn't much
pleasure or recognition to be gained from working in the trenches on the
culture of Wikipedia or the gender gap problem as a whole. Individuals are
most likely to have bans, blocks and battle scars to show for their effort.
So
I was thinking of something maybe a little more formal and prestigious,
like a monetary award with a plaque, and a small committee reviewing
nominations to select a recipient. Never underestimate the power a formal
award has to both confer a sense of legitimacy and raise awareness of an
issue. I'd
No, nothing described below constitutes fraud of any kind.
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:
Let's just call it what it is - internet fraud...
On 12/10/2014 12:02 PM, regu...@gmail.com wrote:
That is joe jobbing.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:
How do you know?
For example, maybe there are secretly for profit, paid editors
on Wikipedia who feel threatened by more Admin and/or
Foundation scrutiny of the kind that some editors have
been promoting,
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:
Speculation on the monetary gain definition of fraud is lots of
fun. However, we all know fraud has a wider meaning as
two dictionary definitions show.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud
1 a :
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:53 PM, GorillaWarfare
gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Jim Hayes slowki...@gmail.com wrote:
i do not appreciate being outed by an arbitrator
linking a private email message to a public talk page.
What?
– Molly
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Leigh Honeywell le...@hypatia.ca wrote:
With my mod hat on, Neotarf, please cease the you could's here. Further
hypotheticals will get you modded.
Thanks,
-Leigh
What about Neotarf's post, which you quoted, would merit moderation and
under what principle?
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net
wrote:
http://www.examiner.com/article/wikipedia-biographies-favor-men
http://www.examiner.com/article/jimmy-wales-shows-favoritism-on-wikipedia
hmmm, interesting but dated...
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Anne, Kerry and Christina - and everyone else,
So the Wikimedia Conference programme committee appears keen to do
something useful in terms of creating space for gender - gap work. So I
wondered if you had
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
Carollet's just deconstruct what you're saying here.
If we were to take the words female and male and women and men out
of it entirely, would it sum up one of the major issues in editor
retention? I'm going to be
I've just read through the last few weeks of discussion on that talkpage,
and I can't blame anyone for abandoning it. Holy cow! What a mess. The last
thing I would ever recommend someone do is bring an article or discussion
there for feedback, support, assistance, etc. let alone any idea about the
You could just start over. Open a collab space in someone's userspace,
redirect WP:GGTF to that spot, and invite a few people to come collaborate.
Having it in userspace is probably the best (if still minimal) protection
against trolls and ne'er-do-wells.
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Sarah slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com
wrote:
After reviewing the Arbcom case, I don't even know who got the idea that
any of the contributing editors are feminist, per se. No one even
It could just as easily be argued the other way, I think. It's presumptuous
and perhaps insulting to purport to create a biography on a person, under
her own name, while merely recounting a single tragic occurrence in her
life. Since there is often not enough verifiable information to create a
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Is there an article on vaginal fistula? I would look it up myself, but
I'm at work :)
There is indeed. And also rectovaginal fistula - its definitely a cluster
of articles that can use some TLC, but the coverage is
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Neotarf <neot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Could you post a link to one or two of the discussions, and how they went
> down? I really need to read something like that right now.
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> w
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Neotarf wrote:
> @Risker: "I have a simple question to ask: How many people in this thread
> have publicly or privately requested to the Wikimedia Foundation ED that
> additional resources be assigned to trust and safety issues such as death
>
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Risker wrote:
> Give me a break, Neotarf. I am critiquing the article and the decisions by
> its author and its publisher. It doesn't surprise me that having someone
> of Keilana's stature drop more f-bombs in a couple of paragraphs than I
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Risker wrote:
>
>> If exactly the same article had been written by someone who has a long
> and colourful history of behaviour considered to be very uncivil, nobody
> would be thinking it was an okay article. It's only okay because Keilana
>
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Neotarf <neot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not quite sure how to answer JJ Marr and Nathan, but if you watched
> the Berkman panel I posted about earlier [1], the conclusion of the WMF
> harassment survey is that the effect of harassment on wom
It boils down to "people with aberrant behavior or bearing produce anxiety
in women." This is drawn from a Facebook survey. It's interesting, even if
the "study" doesn't really produce any more knowledge than most other
Facebook surveys.
The link to the problem of addressing Wikipedia's gendergap
The image was removed by Doc James with the edit summary "Prior person had
a lot more than marfans"
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werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Christophe, Carol and Fae's notes have set me thinking as to what we could
> do with these funds,
>
> One of the areas that I understand has been a problem is email harassment,
> particularly of women and I
I believe because the ArbCom case regards the 'Gender Gap Task Force'
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 7:24 PM, JJ Marr wrote:
> How does this relate to the gender gap on Wikimedia again?
>
> On 15 Jul 2017 6:00 PM, "Neotarf" wrote:
>
> Just to follow up, the WMF
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