Re: Endorsing the GNU social contract

* Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro [2020-04-11 07:38]: > Hello Mark, > > Mark Wielaard writes: > > > Thanks for your support. You have been added to > > > > I think it’d be helpful to add a section for listing GNU maintainers who > voice

Re: Endorsing the GNU social contract

Hello Mark, Mark Wielaard writes: > Thanks for your support. You have been added to > I think it’d be helpful to add a section for listing GNU maintainers who voice their /rejection/ of the document and another for maintainers who voice

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

* Mark Wielaard [2020-02-29 02:39]: > Of course the FSF is involved in GNU governance. They raise money in > the name of GNU, we assign copyright to the FSF, they hold all our > assets, and they keep lists of people who may use those resources for > which purposes. First there was RMS, then GNU,

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

> > The FSF keeps ignoring our calls for a neutral discussion space. > > The FSF is not involved in GNU governance, so why should they provide > such a thing? Of course the FSF is involved in GNU governance. They raise money in the name of GNU, we assign copyright to the FSF,

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 00:38:25 +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: >> Moderation of this list was taken over because moderators were supposed >> to have been appointed by GNU leadership. That was a procedural error, >> which was no fault of your own and I apologize for, and has since been >> addressed

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

Mark Wielaard, 27/02/20 15:59: I am very sorry for this. And I apologize because I was one of the people who suggested people discuss things on this list. And I was one of the original moderators of this list till Mike and Brandon decided they wanted to do moderation on their own without my and

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

Hi Mike, On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:47:35PM -0500, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > Firstly, I want to reiterate that the unwelcoming and unkind behavior > on this list is not acceptable. Thanks. > Moderation of this list was taken over because moderators were supposed > to have been appointed by GNU

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 14:59:46 +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > I am very sorry for this. And I apologize because I was one of the > people who suggested people discuss things on this list. And I was one > of the original moderators of this list till Mike and Brandon decided > they wanted to do

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

Le jeudi 27 février 2020, 16:27:57 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > Frankly, this entire email is a lie. No you can’t say that. > It is very subtle, Yes it is. For that subtle fact: this mail doesn’t contain anything factually false. So it’s not a lie, and doesn’t even necessarily contains

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

Hi Mark, I think this adequately illustrates one of the fundamental problems with your social contract. The contract states it "commits to providing a harassment-free experience" but for the gnu.tools initiative itself harassment seems defined by what its review commitee finds expedient.

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

I am very sorry for this. And I apologize because I was one of the people who suggested people discuss things on this list. And I was one of the original moderators of this list till Mike and Brandon decided they wanted to do moderation on their own without my and Carlos help [*].

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

Hi Mark, On Sun, 2020-02-23 at 11:36 -0700, Mark Galassi wrote: > I wrote to endorse the GNU social contract and received an email which > made me feel insulted and intimidated (this one said "F*** you", so not > much risk of misinterpreting the language). I also got a sequence of > replied from

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

The best solution to the problem is a public mailing list whose subscribers are limited to GNU stakeholders. This would go a long way towards discourse civility, and is what was asked for in the beginning; you have the power to do such a thing. This list is exactly for that, for

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

Le lundi 24 février 2020, 12:31:45 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 10:58:28PM -0500, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > > Firstly: I'm sorry that you are receiving those messages. People > > should not feel harassed in that way when communicating on GNU lists. > > WRONG > > When people

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

Hello Mike, On Mon 24 Feb 2020 04:58, Mike Gerwitz writes: > We've had a few people in particular that have been especially > problematic, and one person in particular that has many different > aliases and has even gone so far as to create a separate list that the > person has forcefully

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 21:13:48 +0100, Andy Wingo wrote: >> We've had a few people in particular that have been especially >> problematic, and one person in particular that has many different >> aliases and has even gone so far as to create a separate list that the >> person has forcefully

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

Mark: On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:36:16 -0700, Mark Galassi wrote: > I wrote to endorse the GNU social contract and received an email which > made me feel insulted and intimidated (this one said "F*** you", so not > much risk of misinterpreting the language). I also got a sequence of > replied

Re: Endorsing a GNU social contract

Le dimanche 23 février 2020, 21:10:01 CET Tobias Geerinckx-Rice a écrit : > As lowly co-consp^Wmaintainer of GNU Guix I endorse version 1.0 x'D Sincerely, genuine irony/auto-derision can be amusing, even when disagreeing :') I wish more people had the cleverness of showing empathy in these

Re: Endorsing the GNU social contract

On 2020-02-23 01:34, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Per the request offered by email, I am offering my support for the GNU social contract. I, maintainer of package LilyPond, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contract. Did you read it

Endorsing a GNU social contract

As lowly co-consp^Wmaintainer of GNU Guix I endorse version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract as proposed here[0]. Thanks to the members of this list for changing my mind on the matter. Kind regards, T G-R [0]:

Re: Endorsing the GNU social contract

Hey Han-Wen, Han-Wen Nienhuys skribis: > Per the request offered by email, I am offering my support for the GNU > social contract. > > I, maintainer of package LilyPond, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU > Social Contract, available at https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contract. Noted, thank you!

Re: Endorsing a GNU social contract

Hi, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice skribis: > As lowly co-consp^Wmaintainer of GNU Guix I endorse version 1.0 of the > GNU Social Contract as proposed here[0]. Noted, thank you Tobias! Ludo’.

Re: feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

Here it is with my suggestion for the moderators. Thank you. Moderators cannot do anything when someones CCs you directly, none of the messages you mentioned went through to this list that I can see (you can see the public archive at https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/).

feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU social contract

Dear GNU maintainers, I wrote to endorse the GNU social contract and received an email which made me feel insulted and intimidated (this one said "F*** you", so not much risk of misinterpreting the language). I also got a sequence of replied from people telling me I was wrong to do so. These

Re: Endorsing the GNU social contract

Thank you for showing your support for the GNU project. But this is not a document by the GNU project, as a GNU maintainer you are not required to endorse or even support the GNU philosophy or free software movement since we wish to welcome anyone and everyone if they wish to contribute to the

Endorsing the GNU social contract

Per the request offered by email, I am offering my support for the GNU social contract. I, maintainer of package LilyPond, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contract. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanw...@gmail.com -

Re: Endorsing the GNU social contract

Hi Han-Wen, On Sun, 2020-02-23 at 10:34 +0100, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > I, maintainer of package LilyPond, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU > Social Contract, available at > https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contract. Thanks for your support. You have been added to

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

Le dimanche 16 février 2020, 21:27:51 CET Ruben Safir a écrit : > It is objected to and resisted by the GNU > Project. No. rms said people could publish whatever they want, and GNU project doesn’t oppose a such initiative, but doesn’t support either. What it object to, is calling it “GNU”.

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

On 2/17/20 11:33 AM, Nathan Sidwell wrote: > On 2/14/20 8:45 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > >> Thanks for your support. GCC has an FSF appointed steering committee >> which is what we would >> traditionally call the official GNU maintainers for a GNU package. >>

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

You promulgate the incorrect notion that the FSF appoints maintainers for GNU projects, this is false.

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

Hi Nathan, On Mon, 2020-02-17 at 17:33 +0100, Nathan Sidwell wrote: > On 2/14/20 8:45 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > > Thanks for your support. GCC has an FSF appointed steering committee > > which is what we would > > traditionally call the official GNU

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

On 2/14/20 8:45 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote: Thanks for your support. GCC has an FSF appointed steering committee which is what we would traditionally call the official GNU maintainers for a GNU package. But given that GCC is so big they delegate responsibility

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:01:26AM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > Hoi Janneke, > > On Sun, 2020-02-16 at 20:28 +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > > I, a maintainer of GNU Mes and GNU LilyPond and a developer on GNU Guix > > and GNU 8sync, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available >

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 08:28:50PM +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Thank you all for working on this. > There is nothing to thank them for. They are doing it for there own greedy reasons. > > If you are a GNU maintainer and do support this initiative please reply > > to this email, Reply-To

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

Hoi Janneke, On Sun, 2020-02-16 at 20:28 +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > I, a maintainer of GNU Mes and GNU LilyPond and a developer on GNU Guix > and GNU 8sync, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available > at . Thanks for your

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

On 2020-02-16 11:28, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: The goal of the GNU Social Contract is to state the core values GNU maintainers who have endorsed it are committed to uphold. It is both an agreement among us, GNU contributors, and a pledge to the broader free software community. Thank you all

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

Mark Wielaard writes: > Hi all, > > After several months since our statement that it is time for GNU > maintainers to collectively decide about the organization of the > project, we are finally ready for a first small step towards that. > > There was a bit of push back that left us no choice than

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

While GNU maintainers and volunteers are free to endorse anything they want, this is not a document that is affiliated with the GNU project. I suggest everyone to read what the GNU project stance is: Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 18:26:51 -0500 From: "Richard Stallman (Chief GNUisance)" To:

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

GCC has a steering committee apointed by the head of the GNU project, not the FSF. The FSF isn't responsible for GCC.

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

Hi David, On Fri, 2020-02-14 at 09:31 -0500, David Malcolm wrote: > I, a maintainer of GCC [1], endorse version 1.0 of the GNU Social > Contract, available at . Thanks for your support. GCC has an FSF appointed steering committee

Re: Endorsing the GNU Social Contract

On Fri, 2020-02-14 at 01:20 +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > Hi all, > > After several months since our statement that it is time for GNU > maintainers to collectively decide about the organization of the > project, we are finally ready for a first small step towards that. > There was a bit of push