Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2020-01-14 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi Alfred, On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 02:42:06PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > One cannot assume good faith from those who are clearly hostile to the > GNU project. I am certainly not hostile to the GNU project. I love the GNU project and most people working on it. It is almost like a second

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2020-01-12 Thread Andreas R.
> > maybe my wording caused misunderstandings, but I did not mean the Social > > Contract to be a comprehensive document that codifies our inner > > working; > > If not approved by RMS, you are speaking in vain. How about you make > your own free software project, and do it there? As much as I

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2020-01-10 Thread Jean Louis
* Andreas Enge [2020-01-06 22:36]: > Hello, > > On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 04:05:51PM +0100, Andreas R. wrote: > > Andreas Enge, in response to the difference between a "Social contract" and > > a > > "Code of Conduct" writes on the 6th of November[1]: > > "a social contract, which is a "mission

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2020-01-08 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
One cannot assume good faith from those who are clearly hostile to the GNU project. You've shown over and over again, even in your last email claiming that the FSF somehow appointed Brandon as a co-chief of the GNU project, that you have no intention to listen to those who are part of the

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2020-01-06 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi Alfred, On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 12:26:59PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > You are clearly > uninterested in having a discussion, and this contiued spreading of > FUD and lies is out of control on your side. I am interested in discussing these issues since I believe they are important for

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2020-01-06 Thread Andreas Enge
Hello, On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 04:05:51PM +0100, Andreas R. wrote: > Andreas Enge, in response to the difference between a "Social contract" and a > "Code of Conduct" writes on the 6th of November[1]: > "a social contract, which is a "mission statement" and statement of the > general principles

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2020-01-06 Thread Andreas R.
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:49:03PM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > The latest version of the GNU Social Contract can be found here: > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2019-11/msg00358.html > There were some minor wording suggestions since on the list. Thanks. I think that was

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2020-01-03 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
You are wrong. No, it is you Mark who is in the wrong here. You are clearly uninterested in having a discussion, and this contiued spreading of FUD and lies is out of control on your side. The FSF holds the resources for the GNU project and has oversight responsibility over how those

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2020-01-03 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 06:16:17AM +0100, Jean Louis wrote: > * Mark Wielaard [2019-12-31 12:49]: > > It would indeed be good if we worked with the FSF to ratify the GNU > > Social Contract and make sure it doesn't clash with their mission. But > > given the FSF has several other programs it

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2020-01-03 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
It would indeed be good if we worked with the FSF to ratify the GNU Social Contract and make sure it doesn't clash with their mission. The FSF is not in a position to ratify anything for the GNU project.

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2020-01-02 Thread Jean Louis
* Mark Wielaard [2019-12-31 12:49]: > It would indeed be good if we worked with the FSF to ratify the GNU > Social Contract and make sure it doesn't clash with their mission. But > given the FSF has several other programs it runs, I think it is better > if it is self contained. I don't see it as

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2019-12-31 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi Andreas, On Mon, 2019-12-30 at 22:25 +0100, Andreas R. wrote: > This writing, "GNU - Principles and Guidelines", is based on Andreas > Elke's preliminary version > (draft posted on 1 Nov 2019) of a general and concise document that > states some guidelines ("GNU Social Contract") > which

GNU - Principles and Guidelines (was: Re: A GNU “social contract”?)

2019-12-30 Thread Andreas R.
Hi, This writing, "GNU - Principles and Guidelines", is based on Andreas Elke's preliminary version (draft posted on 1 Nov 2019) of a general and concise document that states some guidelines ("GNU Social Contract") which came with a request for feedback. In response to that request, earlier