Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines

2020-01-04 Thread DJ Delorie
Jean Louis writes: > Why should any policy of GNU be changed when they have been > functioning well for decades? This argument was used when GPLv2 was introduced, and again with GPLv3. Things change, we must adapt. "The old way is good enough" is not a good long-term policy.

Re: posts by non-members

2020-01-04 Thread Brandon Invergo
On Fri, 2020-01-03 at 13:53 +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > In general it is somewhat inconvenient if you can only post to the > list from the address with which you are subscribed. In practice, with only one or two exceptions from what I have seen so far, this would only affect people whose

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines

2020-01-04 Thread Jean Louis
* DJ Delorie [2020-01-04 04:56]: > Mike Gerwitz writes: > > The FSF does provide essential resources for the GNU Project, but it has > > no say in how the project is governed. Those decisions must be made by > > rms. > > It's important to remember that one of the "essential resources" is the >

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2020-01-04 Thread Jean Louis
* Samuel Thibault [2020-01-02 22:01]: > Jean Louis, le jeu. 02 janv. 2020 21:53:48 +0100, a ecrit: > > To say all in the context as you explained it would bring burden to > > developers who did not plan to make it for blind users. > > And yet that's what *has* to be done. That's what we have

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-04 Thread Jean Louis
* Andrej Shadura [2020-01-02 17:31]: > On 27/12/2019 10:39, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > As volunteers for the GNU Project we are happy that the FSF provides GNU > > with services like fiscal sponsorship, technical infrastructure, > > promotion, copyright assignment, and volunteer management. And we

Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF relationship

2020-01-04 Thread Jean Louis
* Samuel Thibault [2020-01-02 21:48]: > Jean Louis, le ven. 27 déc. 2019 18:00:00 +0100, a ecrit: > > * Mark Wielaard [2019-12-27 10:40]: > > > To that end we have held discussions with other GNU maintainers, > > > > Who is "we" in particular? > > You can count me in. > > > If you are

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2020-01-04 Thread Jean Louis
* Samuel Thibault [2020-01-02 21:44]: > Jean Louis, le jeu. 02 janv. 2020 17:12:16 +0100, a ecrit: > > * Mark Wielaard [2020-01-02 13:43]: > > > Thanks. Attached is an updated version and a diff with this change and > > > a few other small nitpicks mainly aimed at making the text more > > >

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines

2020-01-04 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello, "Andreas R." skribis: > This writing, "GNU - Principles and Guidelines", is based on Andreas Elke's > preliminary version > (draft posted on 1 Nov 2019) of a general and concise document that states > some guidelines ("GNU Social Contract") > which came with a request for feedback.

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines

2020-01-04 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Alfred, if you really feel there is no substance at hand here, why not just leave the discussion? That would give up the slight hope of changing someones opinion. Giving up isn't in the nature of free software hackers. :-) Can't we all strive for better? If we are going to make positive

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2020-01-04 Thread Andreas Enge
Hello Mark, On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 01:42:13PM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > Mark Wielaard skribis: > > > Yes, I believe we are nitpicking at this point. And we do seem to > > > agree. But if we are nitpicking anyway, then I would keep it short and > > > to the point. Shorter is better: > > >

Re: GNU - Principles and Guidelines

2020-01-04 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> These type of hypothetical unicorn problems are just tangets, there is > no reason to think that the FSF would create such a situation. So > what point is there to try and sow this poisoned seed if not distrust? This feels similar to the logic behind "you have nothing to fear if