Re: Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread Jacob Bachmeyer
Taylan Kammer wrote: I genuinely care about sexism. The commonly recognized kind, that targets women. The fundamental problem here is that all of the issues these CoC documents are supposed to address are entirely off-topic and inappropriate in a software development context. Sexism,

Re: Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread Taylan Kammer
On 27.08.2023 19:31, DJ Delorie wrote: > I'm going to agree with Alfred on this one. Free Software is about > making software free for *everyone*, and that includes all the > "evil" people in the world. FS is not about making you friends. That makes three of us. My pledge is for free software

Re: Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread Taylan Kammer
On 27.08.2023 19:24, indieterminacy wrote: > Pffft, > > The Guix ML discussion involved programmers explaining that they > were downstream of a third party definition and that it was beyond > their competence to wade into it further. > > They did engage you and you werent shut down or mistreated.

Re: Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread DJ Delorie
"Alfred M. Szmidt" writes: > Free software as such cannot be sexist, but that you do not wish to > partake in communities where who you are is imaterial, to the point > where you do not wish to spread the message that computer rights > matters is sad. Hopefully you will reconsider, and fight for

Re: Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread Taylan Kammer
On 27.08.2023 13:45, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >> Free Software does not care who you are, it is about the rights of the >> individual to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve >> software. Nothing else, nothing more. > >I wish this abstract ideal was reflected in actual

Re: Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread dick
A true believer and sage once wrote, "we wish to include everyone, and trying to get rid of people isn't something that is beneficial to our cuase [sic]."

Re: Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Apolgize that this message got through. Can the gnu-misc-disucss admin take a note of this thread, and filter out anything by dick (he is a known troublemaker, and troll).

Re: Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread dick
TK> I guess this is a final attempt I've noticed you suck at guessing.

Re: Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> Free Software does not care who you are, it is about the rights of the > individual to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve > software. Nothing else, nothing more. I wish this abstract ideal was reflected in actual reality! But it does, the GNU project and the Free

Re: Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread Taylan Kammer
On 27.08.2023 12:44, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > Free Software does not care who you are, it is about the rights of the > individual to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve > software. Nothing else, nothing more. I wish this abstract ideal was reflected in actual reality! > Free

Re: Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Free Software does not care who you are, it is about the rights of the individual to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve software. Nothing else, nothing more. Free software as such cannot be sexist, but that you do not wish to partake in communities where who you are is imaterial,

Re: Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread Taylan Kammer
[[[ Sorry about the butchered formatting on the last post. At least, it looks butchered in the web archive. Here's a copy with hopefully better formatting if the first was really received with that terrible formatting by other clients. ]]] This list sadly seems to be used for little more than

Free Software and the New Sexism

2023-08-27 Thread Taylan Kammer
This list sadly seems to be used for little more than the occasional troll post every now and then nowadays, but I have an actually serious article to share. It is, nevertheless, about controversial topics that are a favorite of some trolls. Free Software and the New Sexism or Why Codes of