Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Not - they are adding GNU to their names, at the behest of GNU, as a matter of fact. They are not claiming to be leaders of the GNU project and purposely breaking GNU policy. Just because an organization allows you to use their trademark for a purpose, that doesn't give someone permition to rip

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Le mercredi 12 février 2020, 19:50:49 CET Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) a écrit : > On 2020-02-10 07:32, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > There were several pieces of feedback that were either not sent to the > > public list, or are still held up in moderation. > > Maybe that contract should include a

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

I didn't miss it. You have posted Richard's message a couple of times on various public lists and I have already replied twice explaining what I believe are some misunderstandings about this initiative. You can read my answers here: That you think it is a misunderstanding, or not,

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Hi Alfred, On Mon, 2020-02-17 at 11:21 -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > I asked about it previously, it feel deafly silent, and since you > feelt that discussions should occur faster it shouldn't be unrealistic > to expect an quick answer as to why you're not willing to show what > the GNU

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

You've ignored the easy solution, to cite the offical stance of the GNU project instead. I asked about it previously, it feel deafly silent, and since you feelt that discussions should occur faster it shouldn't be unrealistic to expect an quick answer as to why you're not willing to show what the

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On 17.02.2020 0:57, Mark Wielaard wrote: Yes, I see how that formulation is too strong and might be read like that. I hadn't realized how it sounded. Thanks for pointing that out. I have updated it to say that "The process followed by this initiative is not supported by...". Is there a place

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Hi Dmitry, On Sat, 2020-02-15 at 19:31 +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 15.02.2020 3:33, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > This initiative is not supported by Richard Stallman. > > Nevertheless, we consider it a legitimate action by and for GNU > > maintainers to collectively define the core

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Le samedi 15 février 2020, 11:52:08 CET Alfred M. Szmidt a écrit : >This initiative is not supported by Richard Stallman. > > That is quite false, you're free to do any kind of initiatives you > wish, so it is quite the opposite. What the GNU project won't do is > to require volunteers

Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Le samedi 15 février 2020, 02:33:35 CET Mark Wielaard a écrit : > This initiative is not supported by Richard Stallman. You may as well say “by the GNU Project in its current govermental state”. But as you seem to be willing to ignore anything said to you about what is GNU currently, as if

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On 2020-02-14 17:33, Mark Wielaard wrote: The goal of the GNU Social Contract is to state the core values GNU maintainers who have endorsed it are committed to uphold. It is both an agreement among us, GNU contributors, and a pledge to the broader free software community. You

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On 15.02.2020 3:33, Mark Wielaard wrote: This initiative is not supported by Richard Stallman. Nevertheless, we consider it a legitimate action by and for GNU maintainers to collectively define the core values we believe GNU stands for. That makes it sound like Richard is

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

This initiative is not supported by Richard Stallman. That is quite false, you're free to do any kind of initiatives you wish, so it is quite the opposite. What the GNU project won't do is to require volunteers to agree to any kind of document similar to this. So why not add the offical

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Hi Alfred, On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:42:23PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > Please rename the non-GNU social edict to something that else, since > it does not reflect the stance of the GNU project. You're perfectly > free to host such a document, but is is untrue to say that this is a >

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Please rename the non-GNU social edict to something that else, since it does not reflect the stance of the GNU project. You're perfectly free to host such a document, but is is untrue to say that this is a document supported by the GNU project.

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On 2020-02-13 13:26, Daniel Pocock wrote: I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at . By the way, I'm offended by the sexual innuendo in this domain name. It's not okay to use

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On 2020-02-14 02:04, John Darrington wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 09:26:03PM +, Daniel Pocock wrote: Could it be better to work from the ground up, to document the points which almost everybody agrees on before talking about the points that are controversial? We have already done that.

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 09:26:03PM +, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > People are welcome to endorse the social contract (or any other > document, like the Bible or the Koran) if they wish Of course. > > However, how is that relevant if some people endorse it and others don't? It is not. > >

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

> I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version > 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at > . People are welcome to endorse the social contract (or any other document, like the Bible or the Koran) if they wish However, how

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Hi Frederic, Mark Wielaard skribis: > On Mon, 2020-02-10 at 12:31 +0100, fredoma...@free.fr wrote: >> As far as I can see, there has not been modification to the proposed >> GNU Social Contract, and I happy to re-iterate my support to it. > > There were several pieces of feedback that were

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 04:12:04PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > "Andreas R." writes: > > The wiki has been described as a tool for *all* GNU maintainers, even > > though it's only available to a certain subset of GNU maintainers > > willing to agree to new stipulations that were never part of being

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Hi Andrej, On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 18:35 +0100, Andrej Shadura wrote: > On 01/02/2020 13:39, fredomatic wrote: > > I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version > > 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at > > . > > As the

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

* Ludovic Courtès [2020-02-11 08:35]: > Hello Frederic, > > fredomatic skribis: > > > I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version > > 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at > > . > > Thank you for your message. > >

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

"Andreas R." writes: > The wiki has been described as a tool for *all* GNU maintainers, even > though it's only available to a certain subset of GNU maintainers > willing to agree to new stipulations that were never part of being a > GNU maintainer. The wiki states "currently limited to GNU

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On 2020-02-10 07:32, Mark Wielaard wrote: There were several pieces of feedback that were either not sent to the public list, or are still held up in moderation. Maybe that contract should include a few clauses about not engaging in deceptive and illegal behavior. You should not be using the

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

It is infact beyond clear, specially from a group insisting on calling something "the GNU foobar", when that foobar has been rejected. It would be trivial for the people wanting this to call it something else.

Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Hello, As far as I can see, there has not been modification to the proposed GNU Social Contract, and I happy to re-iterate my support to it. Sincerely. Frederic Bois

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Hi Frederic, On Mon, 2020-02-10 at 12:31 +0100, fredoma...@free.fr wrote: > As far as I can see, there has not been modification to the proposed > GNU Social Contract, and I happy to re-iterate my support to it. There were several pieces of feedback that were either not sent to the public list,

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 12:14:20PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) writes: > > The wiki does not represent the views of the GNU project. Nor will it > > be hosted on GNU infrastructure, as was made quite clear by the head > > of the GNU project. > > I think we all

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) writes: > The wiki does not represent the views of the GNU project. Nor will it > be hosted on GNU infrastructure, as was made quite clear by the head > of the GNU project. I think we all agree on this, and repeating it is not adding anything to the

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

The wiki does not represent the views of the GNU project. Nor will it be hosted on GNU infrastructure, as was made quite clear by the head of the GNU project.

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On 2020-02-06 09:32, Andrej Shadura wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/02/2020 13:39, fredomatic wrote: I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at .

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

Hello Frederic, fredomatic skribis: > I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version > 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at > . Thank you for your message. As stated in the email you received, we are still on a review

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

* Andrej Shadura [2020-02-11 08:18]: > On 01/02/2020 13:39, fredomatic wrote: > > I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version > > 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at > > . > Thanks! > > As the maintainer of GNU

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/02/2020 13:39, fredomatic wrote: > I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version > 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at > . Thanks! As the maintainer of GNU indent, I

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On 06/02/2020 17:32, Andrej Shadura wrote: Apparently the last time the signature broke, here’s the hopefully correctly signed message: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/02/2020 13:39, fredomatic wrote: > I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version >

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On 2/6/20 12:41 PM, Andrej Shadura wrote: > Everyone who works on GNU can and should represent the GNU project, so > it’s in fact you who’s misleading other participants. That is twisted and wrong. Policy at GNU or any organization is not a free for all and this is not the Paris Commune. --

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On 2/6/20 6:00 AM, fredoma...@free.fr wrote: > Thanks for the precisions. I would like to take this opportunity to declare > my support to initiatives aiming at being more inclusive of women in GNU. This has nothing to do with the radical feminism that you support, although in of itself, that

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 12:00:22PM +0100, fredoma...@free.fr wrote: > Thanks for the precisions. I would like to take this opportunity to > declare my support to initiatives aiming at being more inclusive of > women in GNU. I am for example quite surprised that (as far as I > saw) only one or two

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 12:00:22 +0100 (CET) fredoma...@free.fr wrote: > Thanks for the precisions. I would like to take this opportunity to > declare my support to initiatives aiming at being more inclusive of > women in GNU. I am for example quite surprised that (as far as I saw) > only one or two

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

* fredoma...@free.fr [2020-02-08 10:07]: > Thanks for the precisions. I would like to take this opportunity to > declare my support to initiatives aiming at being more inclusive of > women in GNU. I am for example quite surprised that (as far as I > saw) only one or two women contributed to this

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

évrier 2020 10:01:44 Objet: Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract Hello Frederic, fredomatic skribis: > I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version > 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at > <https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contra

Re: Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

You have been mislead, the website you are refering to is unaffiliated with the GNU project, and does not represent the GNU project. In other words, there is no such thing as a GNU social contract, and the GNU project won't be taking any such steps to adopt this text.

Endorsing version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I, Frederic Y. Bois, maintainer of package GNU MCSim, endorse version 1.0 of the GNU Social Contract, available at . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-