Re: [GNC-dev] [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Christopher Lam
The "Retained Earnings" part of the Balance Sheet has nothing to do with dividends. IIUC on the balance sheet date X, the retained earnings simply means the total income up to date X, minus total expenses up to date X. If the books were 'closed' on date X, the income would be zeroed out to

Re: [GNC-dev] [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread John Ralls
The Retained Earnings part of the Balance Sheet report *was* written with that in mind. The automatic calculation of retained earnings in the Balance Sheet report nets out the income and expense accounts; if there's a Retained Earnings account it will get reported too. Since the way to credit

Re: [GNC-dev] [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Christopher Lam
Oops. My mistake: The "Retained Earnings" part *in GnuCash's* Balance-sheet has not been written with that in mind by the original report writers. Amendments to reports are possible but please submit an enhancement in bugzilla. Ideally with an suitable chart of accounts, with some sample

Re: [GNC-dev] [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread John Ralls
Adrien, You copied the wrong list, this thread was in gnucash-devel. Regards, John Ralls > On Apr 16, 2019, at 7:47 AM, Adrien Monteleone > wrote: > > If you create an Equity:Retained Earnings account and debit it, while > crediting Dividends Payable (the formal method) does this not show

Re: [GNC-dev] [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger
Hi John, Am 16.04.19 um 16:43 schrieb John Ralls: > The Retained Earnings part of the Balance Sheet report *was* written with > that in mind. Source? > The automatic calculation of retained earnings in the Balance Sheet report > nets out the income and expense accounts; if there's a Retained

Re: [GNC-dev] [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Adrien Monteleone
My bad, I saw the thread starting in the user list, I never saw it in devel. So when I replied, I set it to user. I’ll update my filters to file into devel ahead of user and be more careful next time when setting my reply address(es). Regards, Adrien > On Apr 16, 2019, at 11:37 AM, John Ralls

Re: [GNC-dev] [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread John Ralls
Frank, I think that the glossary entry is only partly right. "Retained Earnings" certainly can be an account, but it's also a concept: It's the collected profits of the company over time that haven't been distributed to the owners. Earnings before stuff lines are non-GAAP values that

Re: [GNC-dev] [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread John Ralls
Justin, It's not a workaround, it's a choice. Either you close your books or you don't. If you do then you close to a Retained Earnings account and all is good. If you don't then GnuCash calculates your retained earnings for you and all is good. At present if you mix the two then you get two

Re: [GNC-dev] [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread John Ralls
Justin, No, just you. This is real simple: GnuCash provides two ways to account for reporting retained earnings, including dividends. I'm not asking you to do anything, I'm telling you how GnuCash works. Either you use one of those two ways or you use a different accounting program. Regards,

Re: [GNC-dev] [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread Phil Diacono
I agree with Justin. Other than "this is how it works" or "here's a workaround", I don't believe I've seen an argument challenging his proposal. Can I encourage you to consider this approach for a future release? Am I correct in thinking that the other category that drains retained earnings is

Re: [GNC-dev] [GNC] Recording dividend payoffs

2019-04-16 Thread John Ralls
If Justin's proposal refers to > If we bring in a Dividend type account under Equity we can debit dividend > declarations to this account. We don't have to credit this account by the > way. The account will be in minus with red font as in current version. The > balance in this account will