Re: Please, Oh, Please, Can we delete the (10 year old and counting) Draft Concept Guide on the Wiki?

2017-11-11 Thread John Ralls 

> On Nov 11, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger 
>  wrote:
> 
> Am 11.11.2017 um 15:55 schrieb David T. via gnucash-devel:
>> Okay,
>> 
>> Once again, I search Google for some aspect of GnuCash functionality, and 
>> ONCE AGAIN, one of the top hits there is the 10 year old Draft Concept Guide 
>> lurking on the wiki. Not the ACTUAL, CURRENTLY-MAINTAINED Tutorial and 
>> Concept Guide. No. The ***Draft Concept Guide*** (ostensibly invisible on 
>> the gnucash wiki).
> 
> That rises the question "why get the recent documents no better Google
> ranking?" Something we are doing wrong there. To fix it, it might be
> useful if you could be more precise, e.g. Which expression were you
> searching, on which server are which results (www or wiki/lists/code). I
> could imagine, wiki gets a better ranking than wiki because there is
> more activity, but it might also be a suboptimal configuration of
> robots.txt or similar.
> 
>> As my subject line suggests, I believe this set of pages should BE REMOVED 
>> FROM THE WIKI. I know, I know—I’ve said it before. But, since the pages are 
>> still there, it bears repeating.
>> 
>> I continue to question what purpose this inaccurate, outdated, unmaintained, 
>> and misleading set of pages serves. The only reason I have heard is that 
>> they might serve as a set of templates for other pages. I think that this is 
>> a specious argument; first, there does not seem to be much on the wiki that 
>> uses many wiki features; and second, if users need more technical guidance, 
>> there are numerous sources online to serve as guidance.
>> 
>> I say, “Draft Concept Guide—BEGONE!”
> 
> That reminds me of Cato who finished each speech in the roman senate
> with "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse." ;-)
> 
> So if nobody else is interested I could move them below user:fell.

Frank,

I've no objection to either moving them to your user page or deleting them 
altogether, though I wonder whether moving them will stop Google from finding 
them.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: Please, Oh, Please, Can we delete the (10 year old and counting) Draft Concept Guide on the Wiki?

2017-11-11 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger 
Am 11.11.2017 um 15:55 schrieb David T. via gnucash-devel:
> Okay,
> 
> Once again, I search Google for some aspect of GnuCash functionality, and 
> ONCE AGAIN, one of the top hits there is the 10 year old Draft Concept Guide 
> lurking on the wiki. Not the ACTUAL, CURRENTLY-MAINTAINED Tutorial and 
> Concept Guide. No. The ***Draft Concept Guide*** (ostensibly invisible on the 
> gnucash wiki).

That rises the question "why get the recent documents no better Google
ranking?" Something we are doing wrong there. To fix it, it might be
useful if you could be more precise, e.g. Which expression were you
searching, on which server are which results (www or wiki/lists/code). I
could imagine, wiki gets a better ranking than wiki because there is
more activity, but it might also be a suboptimal configuration of
robots.txt or similar.

> As my subject line suggests, I believe this set of pages should BE REMOVED 
> FROM THE WIKI. I know, I know—I’ve said it before. But, since the pages are 
> still there, it bears repeating.
> 
> I continue to question what purpose this inaccurate, outdated, unmaintained, 
> and misleading set of pages serves. The only reason I have heard is that they 
> might serve as a set of templates for other pages. I think that this is a 
> specious argument; first, there does not seem to be much on the wiki that 
> uses many wiki features; and second, if users need more technical guidance, 
> there are numerous sources online to serve as guidance.
> 
> I say, “Draft Concept Guide—BEGONE!”

That reminds me of Cato who finished each speech in the roman senate
with "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse." ;-)

So if nobody else is interested I could move them below user:fell.

> David

Frank

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Re: Please, Oh, Please, Can we delete the (10 year old and counting) Draft Concept Guide on the Wiki?

2017-11-11 Thread Adrien Monteleone 
They should go, but if there are any objections for some reason, I recommend at 
least adding a NO FOLLOW rule to the site’s htaccess file. That way these 
archives won’t show up in search results. I would say such rules should be 
included for any outdated material.

Regards,
Adrien


> On Nov 11, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Geert Janssens  
> wrote:
> 
> Op zaterdag 11 november 2017 15:55:37 CET schreef David T. via gnucash-devel:
>> Okay,
>> 
>> Once again, I search Google for some aspect of GnuCash functionality, and
>> ONCE AGAIN, one of the top hits there is the 10 year old Draft Concept
>> Guide lurking on the wiki. Not the ACTUAL, CURRENTLY-MAINTAINED Tutorial
>> and Concept Guide. No. The ***Draft Concept Guide*** (ostensibly invisible
>> on the gnucash wiki).
>> 
>> As my subject line suggests, I believe this set of pages should BE REMOVED
>> FROM THE WIKI. I know, I know—I’ve said it before. But, since the pages are
>> still there, it bears repeating.
>> 
>> I continue to question what purpose this inaccurate, outdated, unmaintained,
>> and misleading set of pages serves. The only reason I have heard is that
>> they might serve as a set of templates for other pages. I think that this
>> is a specious argument; first, there does not seem to be much on the wiki
>> that uses many wiki features; and second, if users need more technical
>> guidance, there are numerous sources online to serve as guidance.
>> 
>> I say, “Draft Concept Guide—BEGONE!”
>> 
>> David
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> As far as I'm concerned they can go.
> 
> Geert
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Re: Please, Oh, Please, Can we delete the (10 year old and counting) Draft Concept Guide on the Wiki?

2017-11-11 Thread Geert Janssens 
Op zaterdag 11 november 2017 15:55:37 CET schreef David T. via gnucash-devel:
> Okay,
> 
> Once again, I search Google for some aspect of GnuCash functionality, and
> ONCE AGAIN, one of the top hits there is the 10 year old Draft Concept
> Guide lurking on the wiki. Not the ACTUAL, CURRENTLY-MAINTAINED Tutorial
> and Concept Guide. No. The ***Draft Concept Guide*** (ostensibly invisible
> on the gnucash wiki).
> 
> As my subject line suggests, I believe this set of pages should BE REMOVED
> FROM THE WIKI. I know, I know—I’ve said it before. But, since the pages are
> still there, it bears repeating.
> 
> I continue to question what purpose this inaccurate, outdated, unmaintained,
> and misleading set of pages serves. The only reason I have heard is that
> they might serve as a set of templates for other pages. I think that this
> is a specious argument; first, there does not seem to be much on the wiki
> that uses many wiki features; and second, if users need more technical
> guidance, there are numerous sources online to serve as guidance.
> 
> I say, “Draft Concept Guide—BEGONE!”
> 
> David
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As far as I'm concerned they can go.

Geert
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Please, Oh, Please, Can we delete the (10 year old and counting) Draft Concept Guide on the Wiki?

2017-11-11 Thread David T. via gnucash-devel 
Okay,

Once again, I search Google for some aspect of GnuCash functionality, and ONCE 
AGAIN, one of the top hits there is the 10 year old Draft Concept Guide lurking 
on the wiki. Not the ACTUAL, CURRENTLY-MAINTAINED Tutorial and Concept Guide. 
No. The ***Draft Concept Guide*** (ostensibly invisible on the gnucash wiki).

As my subject line suggests, I believe this set of pages should BE REMOVED FROM 
THE WIKI. I know, I know—I’ve said it before. But, since the pages are still 
there, it bears repeating.

I continue to question what purpose this inaccurate, outdated, unmaintained, 
and misleading set of pages serves. The only reason I have heard is that they 
might serve as a set of templates for other pages. I think that this is a 
specious argument; first, there does not seem to be much on the wiki that uses 
many wiki features; and second, if users need more technical guidance, there 
are numerous sources online to serve as guidance.

I say, “Draft Concept Guide—BEGONE!”

David

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Re: Missing glib/gobject when compiling

2017-11-11 Thread Edward Bridges 
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017, at 10:42 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Edward Bridges
>>  wrote:>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017, at 11:16 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 9, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Edward Bridges
  wrote:>> 
 On Wed, Nov 8, 2017, at 11:00 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Edward Bridges
>>  wrote:>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017, at 09:59 AM, John Ralls wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 7, 2017, at 8:42 PM, Edward Bridges
 >> wrote: 
 On Tue, Nov 7, 2017, at 10:26 AM, John Ralls wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Edward Bridges
>>  wrote:>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017, at 08:40 PM, Edward Bridges wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017, at 10:39 PM, John Ralls wrote:
 
 
> On Nov 5, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Edward Bridges
>  wrote:> 
> I've built libdbdpgsql.so using jhbuild build libdbi-
> drivers,>>> then run:> 
> cp gnucash-stable/lib/dbd/libdbdpgsql.so \
>  /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/dbd
> 
> 
> install_name_tool -change gnucash-
> stable/lib/libdbi.1.dylib> \>   
> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/l-> 
> ib/libdbi.1.d->>>   ylib \>   
> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Reso->  
> urces/lib/dbd/libdbd->>>   pgsql.so> 
> I'm assuming that, then, when I start up Gnucash (v2.6.15)
> I>>> would have> the> option to "Save 
> As..." to a Postgresql database option
> under>>> "Data> Format"> but it's not 
> appearing, and am not seeing any logs under
> Console.> 
> Thanks for your quick response earlier.  Am I missing a
> step>>> somewhere> here? 
 I think you also need the pgsql client dylib in the 
 bundle and>> it would be better to use
 @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libdbi.1.dylib
 rather than /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents as
 that will allow you>> to move the bundle.
 
 Use `otool -L
 /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/dbd/libdb-
 dp- gs->> ql.so` to make sure that your
 install_name_tool invocation did what you>> 
 want. I’m
 suspicious of the relative path in your 
 install_name_tool>> invocation. 
 Console doesn’t catch stderr anymore and hasn’t since 
 Lion (10.7). You can check the trace file 
 (`sudo find
  /var/private/Temp -name>> gnucash.trace` to
  get the path) but link errors might not get>>
  into there either, so best to run GnuCash from
  a Terminal session:>>
 /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash so 
 the stderr output goes where you can see it.
 
 Regards,
 John Ralls
>>> 
>>> Hi John --
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help on this.  
>>> 
>>> When I run according to your instructions I get a brief
>>> error> message>>> that libdbi is unable to load
>>> the driver -- and>>> message>>> it still is 
>>> not> working>>> (see
>>> message>>> below).  I could not find a gnucash.trace>>> 
>>> working>>> file under /var> as well.>>> 
>>> ```
>>> ~ $ /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash
>>> Application Path /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash-
>>> > bin>> (process:4934): gnc.gui-WARNING **: 
>>> > [mac_set_languages()]
>>> Language list:>>> en:en_US:C
>>> (null)
>>> libdbi: Failed to load driver:
>>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/dbd/libdbd-
>>> pg->>> sq-> l.so>>> ^C
>>> 
>>> ~ $ otool -L
>>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/dbd/libdbd-
>>> pg->>> sq-> l.so>>> 
>>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/->>>