Re: gnucash-user Digest, Vol 179, Issue 34

[Roger Hatton]

I hope this is the correct way to start a new topic?

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New Topic ... Threaded Discussions

While I am immensely impressed with the speed and diligence shown
in these messages (particularly to new unskilled members) I do
wonder whether there is not much better software for
topic discussions where each thread has its
original title and the discussion of
each topic is separate using
dated messages, and
author names in
a clear format.

The message board systems I've encountered have this extra clarity.
Are there no free ones?

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>1. Re: Check writing (Ronal B Morse)
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>3. Re: gnucash-user Digest, Vol 179, Issue 33 (Roger Hatton)
>4. Re: 13 Column Reporting Starting July ending June plus Total (D)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 19:25:07 -0700
> From: Ronal B Morse 
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: Check writing
> Message-ID: <01b8614e-734d-af03-18f9-e52758440...@morsehouse.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 02/09/2018 01:39 PM, Ronald Mocny via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Can I write checks in GnuCash and if so is it compatible with
> > VersaCheck. Thanks
> >
>
> I'm not familiar with Versacheck, but GnuCash has a flexible and fully
> user configurable check writing facility.? Personally, the pre-defined
> Quicken three-part voucher check option meets my needs.
>
> At the beginning of every month I pay ten - twelve bills by check with
> GNC and it's a simple and easy task.? The hardest part is remembering
> which way to feed the blank forms into whatever printer I'm using at the
> time.
>
> If your forms have accompanying window envelopes, GNC does the
> addressing, too.
>
> RBM
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 20:53:11 -0600
> From: David Carlson 
> To: Ronal B Morse 
> Cc: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: Re: Check writing
> Message-ID:
>  gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Ronal,
>
> I used to use Versa checks with Gnucash several years ago before the
> computer that had the printer connected died.
>
> I used personal size checks and I remember that there was an issue with
> some sizes or voucher checks  or Check 21 or something.
>
> That was several years ago.
>
> David C
>
> On Feb 9, 2018 8:27 PM, "Ronal B Morse"  wrote:
>
> > On 02/09/2018 01:39 PM, Ronald Mocny via gnucash-user wrote:
> >
> >> Can I write checks in GnuCash and if so is it compatible with
> >> VersaCheck. Thanks
> >>
> >>
> > I'm not familiar with Versacheck, but GnuCash has a flexible and fully
> > user configurable check writing facility.  Personally, the pre-defined
> > Quicken three-part voucher check option meets my needs.
> >
> > At the beginning of every month I pay ten - twelve bills by check with
> GNC
> > and it's a simple and easy task.  The hardest part is remembering which
> way
> > to feed the blank forms into whatever printer I'm using at the time.
> >
> > If your forms have accompanying window envelopes, GNC does the
> addressing,
> > too.
> >
> > RBM
> >
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> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 14:19:32 +1000
> From: Roger Hatton 
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: gnucash-user Digest, Vol 179, Issue 33
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> Isn't creating 13 monthly reports a somewhat labour intensive
> way of creating what could be a 

Re: Price Retrieval Failure, Part 2

[D via gnucash-user]

Sorry to be replying to my own message, but it also occurs to me that, in 
addition to Gnucash, Finance::Quote gets installed. Given that my troubles in 
this instance are intimately linked to F::Q, what steps might I take to ensure 
that IT gets removed as well?I

David

On February 10, 2018, at 10:49 AM, D via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

John,

Thank you for clarifying. I'll note that Gnucash does put stuff into 
~/Library/Application Support/Gnucash as well, so there is at least one thing 
that gets installed.

I asked this question because I am still observing several "idiosyncrasies" on 
my system that no one else seems to be experiencing (such as this retrieval 
problem and my ongoing inability to get custom reports to load). Because I am 
experiencing such problems, it suggests a problem unique to my computer, and I 
was looking for a way to ensure that I was starting with a truly clean slate.

If I delete Gnucash.app and move (or delete) ~/Library/Application 
Support/Gnucash, will that create a completely empty Gnucash environment, or is 
there another system location that needs cleaning?I

Also, is the internalized Alphavantage setting active in 2.7.4?

David

On February 9, 2018, at 8:35 PM, John Ralls  wrote:

GnuCash on the Mac doesn’t install anything. You drag the bundle to wherever 
you like, and you can have as many as you like. If you want to try a “fresh 
installation” (shouldn’t make any difference, nothing in the bundle should 
change with use) just open up the dmg and drag Gnucash.app somewhere else.

The variables in the environment file are overridden by those variables being 
set in the launcher script (Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash). In 2.7.4 and 
later there is no launcher script and the code that writes the environment file 
is changed to use paths relative to {GNC_HOME}.

You’re right that GnuCash shouldn’t be overwriting files in GNC_DOT_DIR. I’ll 
have a look at that. 

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Feb 8, 2018, at 9:14 PM, David T. via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> In reply to my own message, in the interest of trying to run a fresh 
> installation of GnuCash, I logged in to a different (new) Mac user account 
> and replicated the test there. In other words, I opened GnuCash and created a 
> simple file with AAPL and tried to retrieve prices. I receive the same error. 
> 
> Because GnuCash on the Mac installs the application bundle at the system 
> level, the environment file there is still invoked (a check in that account 
> confirms that this file is accessible in the new account), so I wonder 
> whether there is something going on there that causes my problem.
> 
> I don’t know whether this is a problem, but digging through the enviroment 
> file yields two variables with John’s folder structures:
> 
> GNC_DBD_DIR=/Users/john/Development/Gnucash-Build/Gnucash-2.6-Leopard/inst/lib/dbd
> XDG_DATA_DIRS=/Users/john/Development/Gnucash-Build/Gnucash-2.6-Leopard/inst/share;{XDG_DATA_DIRS};/usr/local/share;/usr/share
> 
> These should be removed, or scrubbed to be generically valid. 
> 
> At this point, I am at a loss for how to proceed.  
> 
> I would try for a “clean slate,” but I would have thought that downloading 
> and installing the newer version would have done that. Since I have been 
> using GnuCash so long, and have sporadically attempted to contribute to the 
> project, my machine has numerous development tools (git, SourceTree, etc.) 
> and GnuCash content (gnucash-docs, gnucash-htdocs) installed; I imagine I 
> could delete all of that as well, and try from there. Given how much trouble 
> it has been for me to get these development technologies to work, I am loathe 
> to take this step, however.
> 
> Geert mentioned that the Alphavantage settings will be incorporated into 3.0; 
> when is that slated for release? Is the feature active on 2.7.4—and should I 
> try using that (*he shudders*)? 
> 
> David
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:40 AM, David T. via gnucash-user 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, adding these lines to my config.user did not result in any 
>> further information.  I am stumped, and disappointed.
>> 
>> 
>> It seems that an upgrade of GnuCash not only tanks one’s customized 
>> environment file in the application bundle (understandable), but also any 
>> additional files that a user might have put into the DOT_GNUCASH_DIR 
>> folder—like, custom scheme reports, or a config.user file that a user might 
>> have created in vain attempts to get said custom reports to load into their 
>> personal installation of GnuCash. I find this circumstance to be rather 
>> troubling, as the files that a user has put into this folder should not be 
>> summarily sent to the executioner by the next version of the application. 
>> This is especially troubling given that the authorized methods for creating 
>> and using custom scheme reports (as convoluted and sensitive as they 

Re: Price Retrieval Failure, Part 2

[D via gnucash-user]

John,

Thank you for clarifying. I'll note that Gnucash does put stuff into 
~/Library/Application Support/Gnucash as well, so there is at least one thing 
that gets installed.

I asked this question because I am still observing several "idiosyncrasies" on 
my system that no one else seems to be experiencing (such as this retrieval 
problem and my ongoing inability to get custom reports to load). Because I am 
experiencing such problems, it suggests a problem unique to my computer, and I 
was looking for a way to ensure that I was starting with a truly clean slate.

If I delete Gnucash.app and move (or delete) ~/Library/Application 
Support/Gnucash, will that create a completely empty Gnucash environment, or is 
there another system location that needs cleaning?I

Also, is the internalized Alphavantage setting active in 2.7.4?

David

On February 9, 2018, at 8:35 PM, John Ralls  wrote:

GnuCash on the Mac doesn’t install anything. You drag the bundle to wherever 
you like, and you can have as many as you like. If you want to try a “fresh 
installation” (shouldn’t make any difference, nothing in the bundle should 
change with use) just open up the dmg and drag Gnucash.app somewhere else.

The variables in the environment file are overridden by those variables being 
set in the launcher script (Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash). In 2.7.4 and 
later there is no launcher script and the code that writes the environment file 
is changed to use paths relative to {GNC_HOME}.

You’re right that GnuCash shouldn’t be overwriting files in GNC_DOT_DIR. I’ll 
have a look at that. 

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Feb 8, 2018, at 9:14 PM, David T. via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> In reply to my own message, in the interest of trying to run a fresh 
> installation of GnuCash, I logged in to a different (new) Mac user account 
> and replicated the test there. In other words, I opened GnuCash and created a 
> simple file with AAPL and tried to retrieve prices. I receive the same error. 
> 
> Because GnuCash on the Mac installs the application bundle at the system 
> level, the environment file there is still invoked (a check in that account 
> confirms that this file is accessible in the new account), so I wonder 
> whether there is something going on there that causes my problem.
> 
> I don’t know whether this is a problem, but digging through the enviroment 
> file yields two variables with John’s folder structures:
> 
> GNC_DBD_DIR=/Users/john/Development/Gnucash-Build/Gnucash-2.6-Leopard/inst/lib/dbd
> XDG_DATA_DIRS=/Users/john/Development/Gnucash-Build/Gnucash-2.6-Leopard/inst/share;{XDG_DATA_DIRS};/usr/local/share;/usr/share
> 
> These should be removed, or scrubbed to be generically valid. 
> 
> At this point, I am at a loss for how to proceed.  
> 
> I would try for a “clean slate,” but I would have thought that downloading 
> and installing the newer version would have done that. Since I have been 
> using GnuCash so long, and have sporadically attempted to contribute to the 
> project, my machine has numerous development tools (git, SourceTree, etc.) 
> and GnuCash content (gnucash-docs, gnucash-htdocs) installed; I imagine I 
> could delete all of that as well, and try from there. Given how much trouble 
> it has been for me to get these development technologies to work, I am loathe 
> to take this step, however.
> 
> Geert mentioned that the Alphavantage settings will be incorporated into 3.0; 
> when is that slated for release? Is the feature active on 2.7.4—and should I 
> try using that (*he shudders*)? 
> 
> David
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:40 AM, David T. via gnucash-user 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, adding these lines to my config.user did not result in any 
>> further information.  I am stumped, and disappointed.
>> 
>> 
>> It seems that an upgrade of GnuCash not only tanks one’s customized 
>> environment file in the application bundle (understandable), but also any 
>> additional files that a user might have put into the DOT_GNUCASH_DIR 
>> folder—like, custom scheme reports, or a config.user file that a user might 
>> have created in vain attempts to get said custom reports to load into their 
>> personal installation of GnuCash. I find this circumstance to be rather 
>> troubling, as the files that a user has put into this folder should not be 
>> summarily sent to the executioner by the next version of the application. 
>> This is especially troubling given that the authorized methods for creating 
>> and using custom scheme reports (as convoluted and sensitive as they are) 
>> specifically directs such reports to be placed into this folder. If *I* were 
>> to have written a custom report for GnuCash (as opposed to simply copying 
>> someone else’s work to my own system) I would be pretty ticked off to find 
>> my work discarded this way. Thank goodness I had backups, but really, one 
>> shouldn’t have to restore from a backup 

RFP: Generic Comparison Report

[D via gnucash-user]

Hello,

I want to raise a discussion here about the creation of a generic comparison 
report. 

I would preface this discussion by saying that, although I am a long time user 
of Gnucash, I have repeatedly demonstrated my utter inability to generate 
useful code for the project, so any ultimate action on the results of this 
discussion would have to be applied by someone else.

As we have seen recently, and as I have seen repeatedly over the years, one of 
the more common requests for reporting is to be able to see numbers from 
different time periods in order to evaluate a financial situation.

As far as I can tell, other than the multi column report, nothing of the sort 
exists in Gnucash. I started thinking that it might be good to begin the 
process of detailing what features might go into such a report in order to make 
it generally useful, with the idea of perhaps stirring up someone's interest in 
creating such a report.

Some initial ideas include:

* Definable periods. Should be able to set the unit period, with options for 
common units (month, quarter, year).
* Definable numbers of periods.
* Definable accounts, but with some common groupings (Assets, Liabilities, 
Investments... Are there others?)
* Perhaps the option to use another report as a template? I have no idea how 
that might work, but the fact that folks seem to want side by side balance 
sheets suggests this to me.

Does anyone else think this would be helpful? Is it a reasonable idea? Is it 
something that someone in the community with Scheme skills is interested in 
pursuing? Are there other elements that would make this a better idea? Are 
there elements that are absurdly difficult or impossible?

Cheers,
David
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Re: 13 Column Reporting Starting July ending June plus Total

[D via gnucash-user]

Roger,

The reports system is not known for its general flexibility. Creating a new 
report (such as your 13 period report) would take writing that new report in 
the Scheme language, which is (contrary to its advocates) not a trivial matter.

Compiling 13 iterations of the existing balance sheet will be easier in the 
short run since it relies on existing mechanisms, although if you were to try 
writing the new report in Scheme, I'm sure others will be willing to offer help 
and feedback.

David

P.S. In the future, please edit your reply so that it a) refers to your 
specific topic (rather than "Gnucash digest"), and b) edit away the parts of 
the digest that don't apply to your thread.

On February 10, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Roger Hatton  wrote:

Isn't creating 13 monthly reports a somewhat labour intensive
way of creating what could be a single report for 12 months
plus the total for the year?

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>1. Re: How to relate Transfer Sales to Cash to Customer?
>   (Adrien Monteleone)
>2. Re: Tracking credit card points (Aaron Laws)
>3. Re: Latest version for Windows? (John Ralls)
>4. Multi column reports methodology? (Roger Hatton)
>5. Re: Duplicating Accounts? (Adrien Monteleone)
>6. Re: 13 Column Reporting Starting July ending June plus Total
>   (Adrien Monteleone)
>7. Re: GNUCASH Free Accounting Software (Adrien Monteleone)
>8. Re: Applying Customer overpayments (Adrien Monteleone)
>9. Re: Applying Customer overpayments (Adrien Monteleone)
>   10. Re: GNUCASH Free Accounting Software (James Fuller)
>   11. Check writing (Ronald Mocny)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 12:47:03 -0600
> From: Adrien Monteleone 
> To: Gnucash userlist 
> Subject: Re: How to relate Transfer Sales to Cash to Customer?
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Certainly that is possible now. You can export transactions from a POS and
> import them to Gnucash. This can either be done on a per-sale basis or as a
> daily aggregate.
>
> Since it is possible to import invoices, the OP could do so as step one,
> and then record the payments as before as step 2. The importing step would
> just save clicks within Gnucash.
>
> It would be nice though to be able to choose a customer/vendor on the
> Payor/Payee line and be able to have that manual transaction show up in a
> customer/vendor report.
>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Mike or Penny Novack <
> stepbystepf...@dialup4less.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2/8/2018 4:00 PM, Greg Feneis wrote:
> >
> >> I suspect Gnu Cash needs a point of sale (POS) module to handle this
> >> functionality.
> >>
> >> I think not exactly a module withing gnucash.
> >
> > What gnucash would need is the ability to accept a feed from a (typical)
> > POS system. Whether a POS system is practical as an open source project
> is
> > another matter. Many (most?) that exist are tied to some company's cash
> > registers, may be scanning in customer ID << I am going by what I see out
> > there as a customer >>
> >
> > Keep in mind, in the usual situation, you would NOT be wanting the sales
> > clerks (who are ringing through customers) to have any access to the
> > accounting system.
> >
> > Open source POS (and inventory, see below) more practical based on the
> > assumption that instead of a cash register would be a general purpose
> small
> > computer the sales clerk used. Would be an app where a customer number
> was
> > entered, purchases one at a time (know what is taxable), total the bill
> and
> > note how paid (cash, check, credit card). Then feed the accounting and
> > inventory systems.
> >
> > Michael D Novack
> >
> > PS: Interfaces with an inventory system similar. There, ideally you would
> > want POS to feed inventory as well as "general ledger" and inventory to
> > feed general ledger. In our case, the general ledger system would be
> > gnucash.
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Re: gnucash-user Digest, Vol 179, Issue 33

[Roger Hatton]

Isn't creating 13 monthly reports a somewhat labour intensive
way of creating what could be a single report for 12 months
plus the total for the year?

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 11:57 AM,  wrote:

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>1. Re: How to relate Transfer Sales to Cash to Customer?
>   (Adrien Monteleone)
>2. Re: Tracking credit card points (Aaron Laws)
>3. Re: Latest version for Windows? (John Ralls)
>4. Multi column reports methodology? (Roger Hatton)
>5. Re: Duplicating Accounts? (Adrien Monteleone)
>6. Re: 13 Column Reporting Starting July ending June plus Total
>   (Adrien Monteleone)
>7. Re: GNUCASH Free Accounting Software (Adrien Monteleone)
>8. Re: Applying Customer overpayments (Adrien Monteleone)
>9. Re: Applying Customer overpayments (Adrien Monteleone)
>   10. Re: GNUCASH Free Accounting Software (James Fuller)
>   11. Check writing (Ronald Mocny)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 12:47:03 -0600
> From: Adrien Monteleone 
> To: Gnucash userlist 
> Subject: Re: How to relate Transfer Sales to Cash to Customer?
> Message-ID:
>  gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Certainly that is possible now. You can export transactions from a POS and
> import them to Gnucash. This can either be done on a per-sale basis or as a
> daily aggregate.
>
> Since it is possible to import invoices, the OP could do so as step one,
> and then record the payments as before as step 2. The importing step would
> just save clicks within Gnucash.
>
> It would be nice though to be able to choose a customer/vendor on the
> Payor/Payee line and be able to have that manual transaction show up in a
> customer/vendor report.
>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Mike or Penny Novack <
> stepbystepf...@dialup4less.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2/8/2018 4:00 PM, Greg Feneis wrote:
> >
> >> I suspect Gnu Cash needs a point of sale (POS) module to handle this
> >> functionality.
> >>
> >> I think not exactly a module withing gnucash.
> >
> > What gnucash would need is the ability to accept a feed from a (typical)
> > POS system. Whether a POS system is practical as an open source project
> is
> > another matter. Many (most?) that exist are tied to some company's cash
> > registers, may be scanning in customer ID << I am going by what I see out
> > there as a customer >>
> >
> > Keep in mind, in the usual situation, you would NOT be wanting the sales
> > clerks (who are ringing through customers) to have any access to the
> > accounting system.
> >
> > Open source POS (and inventory, see below) more practical based on the
> > assumption that instead of a cash register would be a general purpose
> small
> > computer the sales clerk used. Would be an app where a customer number
> was
> > entered, purchases one at a time (know what is taxable), total the bill
> and
> > note how paid (cash, check, credit card). Then feed the accounting and
> > inventory systems.
> >
> > Michael D Novack
> >
> > PS: Interfaces with an inventory system similar. There, ideally you would
> > want POS to feed inventory as well as "general ledger" and inventory to
> > feed general ledger. In our case, the general ledger system would be
> > gnucash.
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 14:00:53 -0500
> From: Aaron Laws 
> To: AC 
> Cc: GnuCash users group 
> Subject: Re: Tracking credit card points
> Message-ID:
>  gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 3:40 PM, AC  wrote:
>
> > I've decided to start tracking my points on my cards because the monthly
> 

Re: Check writing

[David Carlson]

Ronal,

I used to use Versa checks with Gnucash several years ago before the
computer that had the printer connected died.

I used personal size checks and I remember that there was an issue with
some sizes or voucher checks  or Check 21 or something.

That was several years ago.

David C

On Feb 9, 2018 8:27 PM, "Ronal B Morse"  wrote:

> On 02/09/2018 01:39 PM, Ronald Mocny via gnucash-user wrote:
>
>> Can I write checks in GnuCash and if so is it compatible with
>> VersaCheck. Thanks
>>
>>
> I'm not familiar with Versacheck, but GnuCash has a flexible and fully
> user configurable check writing facility.  Personally, the pre-defined
> Quicken three-part voucher check option meets my needs.
>
> At the beginning of every month I pay ten - twelve bills by check with GNC
> and it's a simple and easy task.  The hardest part is remembering which way
> to feed the blank forms into whatever printer I'm using at the time.
>
> If your forms have accompanying window envelopes, GNC does the addressing,
> too.
>
> RBM
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Re: Check writing

[Ronal B Morse]

On 02/09/2018 01:39 PM, Ronald Mocny via gnucash-user wrote:

Can I write checks in GnuCash and if so is it compatible with
VersaCheck. Thanks



I'm not familiar with Versacheck, but GnuCash has a flexible and fully 
user configurable check writing facility.  Personally, the pre-defined 
Quicken three-part voucher check option meets my needs.


At the beginning of every month I pay ten - twelve bills by check with 
GNC and it's a simple and easy task.  The hardest part is remembering 
which way to feed the blank forms into whatever printer I'm using at the 
time.


If your forms have accompanying window envelopes, GNC does the 
addressing, too.


RBM


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Check writing

[Ronald Mocny via gnucash-user]

   Can I write checks in GnuCash and if so is it compatible with
   VersaCheck. Thanks

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Re: GNUCASH Free Accounting Software

[James Fuller]

Hi Adrian,

Thank you VERY much for your help.

James Fuller

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Adrien Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
> James,
> 
> The date range selectors are in the General Tab of the Options window for
> any report. There are some quick choices such as 'start of last year' or
> you can pick specific dates.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 11:28 PM, David T. via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> 
>> Or run a transaction report and set the dates accordingly.
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 5:20 AM, David Carlson 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you want to do a register report for a certain time range open the
>>> register window and choose View > Filter by.. > Date to select your time
>>> window then select Reports > Account Report.
>>> 
>>> David C
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:44 PM, James fuller 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 Adrian,
 I saw your reply below.  I cannot seem to print by date range.  What I’m
 trying to do is print the bank account transactions by date.
>> Specifically
 the year 2017.  I also need to print out a couple of expense account
 transactions for the same period.  I did not close
 2016 and every report I have printed shows all of 2016 along with 2017.
 What am I missing?
 
 Thanks
 James Fuller
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Feb 3, 2018, at 3:43 PM, Adrien Monteleone <
 adrien.montele...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
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Re: Applying Customer overpayments

[Adrien Monteleone]

copying to list - sorry still using a webmail interface I'm not used to.
-

Alan,

When making the payment, you should have had the option to choose the
balancing account, you would have had to select AR instead of Checking if I
recall correctly.

I'd delete the entire payment and re-apply it.

The overpayment resides in AR as a contra-balance. You could transfer this
to a Customer Deposits liability account if you think you won't apply it
for some time and don't want to lose track or just want to keep things neat
and tidy. Doing this also allows you to see WHO has overpaid/pre-paid and
by how much. If the money stays in AR it's just a lump total for all
customers. You could also end up with odd balances in AR and not see
clearly why at a glance without sifting through historical transactions.

Regards,
Adrien

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:45 AM, Alan Johnson  wrote:

>
> *replying to the list
>
> Geert,
>
> Thanks. That worked. However it wanted to apply the funds to the checking
> account (which were already deposited/received). I deleted that part of the
> transaction from the AR register, and the balance offset still works, just
> does not reflect as a payment on the customer report. Is there a better
> account to debit the funds? In the balance sheet / P I don't see any sort
> of customer funds held/liability that would be where the offset would go.
>
> Also, this feature wasn't in the documentation (at least that I could
> find). The documentation merely states that GnuCash would keep track of any
> overpayment. It sounds like a feature like QuickBoox payment system check
> box "Apply customer balance to invoice" is needed.
> Alan
>
>
>
> On 2/8/2018 1:09 PM, Geert Janssens wrote:
>
>> Op donderdag 8 februari 2018 18:41:56 CET schreef Alan Johnson:
>>
>>> Hello, I'm having an issue with GnuCash. A customer has a
>>> overpayment/credit balance. How do I apply it to an invoice so that it
>>> comes out of the AR report at the bottom of the customer report? The
>>> total due / sums are correct, but the customer report has a 91+ day
>>> balance of (0.03). I would like to apply the payment to an invoice / fix
>>> the AR box on the customer report. This is on version 2.6.19.
>>>
>>> - Go to Business->Customer->Process Payment
>> - Select the customer you refer to above
>> - You should get a list of open invoices and overpayments
>> - Select both the 0.03 overpayment and the invoice you want to apply it to
>> (using shift- or ctrl-click)
>> - If you only want to apply this 0.03, adjust the amount to exactly that
>> 0.03
>> - Click Ok
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Geert
>>
>>
>>
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Re: GNUCASH Free Accounting Software

[Adrien Monteleone]

James,

The date range selectors are in the General Tab of the Options window for
any report. There are some quick choices such as 'start of last year' or
you can pick specific dates.

Regards,
Adrien

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 11:28 PM, David T. via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> Or run a transaction report and set the dates accordingly.
>
> > On Feb 9, 2018, at 5:20 AM, David Carlson 
> wrote:
> >
> > If you want to do a register report for a certain time range open the
> > register window and choose View > Filter by.. > Date to select your time
> > window then select Reports > Account Report.
> >
> > David C
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 5:44 PM, James fuller 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Adrian,
> >> I saw your reply below.  I cannot seem to print by date range.  What I’m
> >> trying to do is print the bank account transactions by date.
> Specifically
> >> the year 2017.  I also need to print out a couple of expense account
> >> transactions for the same period.  I did not close
> >> 2016 and every report I have printed shows all of 2016 along with 2017.
> >> What am I missing?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> James Fuller
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 3:43 PM, Adrien Monteleone <
> >> adrien.montele...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> the
> >>
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Re: 13 Column Reporting Starting July ending June plus Total

[Adrien Monteleone]

Sadly, no.

You'd either have to create this report from scratch, or run the individual
reports and export them to a spreadsheet for a consolidated view.

Regards,
Adrien

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Roger Hatton  wrote:

> Is there a simple way to generate a 13 column Profit and Loss
> and a 13 column Balance Sheet showing monthly movements?
>
> My apology if this question has been asked often before but
> being new I can't see the answer to what I hope is a simple
> question, with one menu item to action these two reports?
>
> Is there also a cumulative monthly balance sheet function
> over 12 columns (no 13th Column needed)?
>
> With thanks and congratulations on an interesting system.
>
> Roger H
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Re: Duplicating Accounts?

[Adrien Monteleone]

I thought perhaps the route to go would be create a new hierarchy template,
but it seems that is not possible, at least from within the software. Then
I looked at exporting and importing an account tree, but again, while
export is possible, I don't see how to import a partial tree.

Best of luck.

Regards,
Adrien

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>
> I figured out how to do this once before and now for thelife of I cannot
> remember. I am trying to duplicate an expense account and allof its
> sub-accounts, with a new name of course, and zero balances.
>
> This is not a transfer of funds and I'm not duplicatingtransactions. It is
> basically a copy of one account hierarchy to a new expenseaccount hierarchy.
>
> Anyone remember how to do this without creating a newaccount and eight new
> sub-accounts?
>
> Thanks
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Multi column reports methodology?

[Roger Hatton]

 Is there a simple way to generate a 13 column Profit and Loss
and a 13 column Balance Sheet showing monthly movements?

My apology if this question has been asked often before but
being new I can't see the answer to what I hope is a simple
question, with one menu item to action these two reports?

Is there also a cumulative monthly balance sheet function
over 12 columns (no 13th Column needed)?

With thanks and congratulations on an interesting system.

Roger H
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Re: Latest version for Windows?

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> On Feb 9, 2018, at 7:41 AM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 5:57 AM, cicko  wrote:
>> 
>> I find a bit confusing as to where to find the latest version for Windows.
>> The maintainance releases are apparently going out but somehow I can't
>> figure out what the flow is.
>> 
>> The main www.gnucash.org page points to
>> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-2.6.19-1.setup.exe
>> which does not exist.
>> 
>> The Installation page simply points to the Windows directory on SourceForge.
>> The Stable version there is 
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/2.6.19/gnucash-2.6.19-setup.exe/download
>> which looks like the first 2.6.19 version?
>> However, on the same page there is a hash
>> 1fa83d9578e8c62bd7dcef3b953e0e7610bf03bed9c1a037a72a6eee1ac79e37
>> gnucash-2.6.19-3.setup.exe
>> which refers to 2.6.19-3 version for Windows(!).
>> 
>> And, finally, Windows wiki page (https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows)
>> points to 
>> https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/maint/
>> which shows what I believe are the weekly maintenance builds, based on the
>> info in their names and the description on the wiki page.
>> 
>> So, if I want to get the *latest stable version* for Windows, which one
>> should I use?
> 
> You should use 
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/2.6.19/gnucash-2.6.19-setup.exe/download
>  or 
> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/releases/download/2.6.19/gnucash-2.6.19-setup.exe
> 
> (They’re the same file; Github lacks SourceForge’s annoying advertising).
> 
> And I’ll get the mess of wrong pointers and names cleaned up.
> 

The pointer on www.gnucash.org and the README.txt on SourceForge are fixed now. 
Sorry for the confusion.

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: Price Retrieval Failure, Part 2

[John Ralls]

GnuCash on the Mac doesn’t install anything. You drag the bundle to wherever 
you like, and you can have as many as you like. If you want to try a “fresh 
installation” (shouldn’t make any difference, nothing in the bundle should 
change with use) just open up the dmg and drag Gnucash.app somewhere else.

The variables in the environment file are overridden by those variables being 
set in the launcher script (Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash). In 2.7.4 and 
later there is no launcher script and the code that writes the environment file 
is changed to use paths relative to {GNC_HOME}.

You’re right that GnuCash shouldn’t be overwriting files in GNC_DOT_DIR. I’ll 
have a look at that. 

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Feb 8, 2018, at 9:14 PM, David T. via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> In reply to my own message, in the interest of trying to run a fresh 
> installation of GnuCash, I logged in to a different (new) Mac user account 
> and replicated the test there. In other words, I opened GnuCash and created a 
> simple file with AAPL and tried to retrieve prices. I receive the same error. 
> 
> Because GnuCash on the Mac installs the application bundle at the system 
> level, the environment file there is still invoked (a check in that account 
> confirms that this file is accessible in the new account), so I wonder 
> whether there is something going on there that causes my problem.
> 
> I don’t know whether this is a problem, but digging through the enviroment 
> file yields two variables with John’s folder structures:
> 
> GNC_DBD_DIR=/Users/john/Development/Gnucash-Build/Gnucash-2.6-Leopard/inst/lib/dbd
> XDG_DATA_DIRS=/Users/john/Development/Gnucash-Build/Gnucash-2.6-Leopard/inst/share;{XDG_DATA_DIRS};/usr/local/share;/usr/share
> 
> These should be removed, or scrubbed to be generically valid. 
> 
> At this point, I am at a loss for how to proceed.  
> 
> I would try for a “clean slate,” but I would have thought that downloading 
> and installing the newer version would have done that. Since I have been 
> using GnuCash so long, and have sporadically attempted to contribute to the 
> project, my machine has numerous development tools (git, SourceTree, etc.) 
> and GnuCash content (gnucash-docs, gnucash-htdocs) installed; I imagine I 
> could delete all of that as well, and try from there. Given how much trouble 
> it has been for me to get these development technologies to work, I am loathe 
> to take this step, however.
> 
> Geert mentioned that the Alphavantage settings will be incorporated into 3.0; 
> when is that slated for release? Is the feature active on 2.7.4—and should I 
> try using that (*he shudders*)? 
> 
> David
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:40 AM, David T. via gnucash-user 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, adding these lines to my config.user did not result in any 
>> further information.  I am stumped, and disappointed.
>> 
>> 
>> It seems that an upgrade of GnuCash not only tanks one’s customized 
>> environment file in the application bundle (understandable), but also any 
>> additional files that a user might have put into the DOT_GNUCASH_DIR 
>> folder—like, custom scheme reports, or a config.user file that a user might 
>> have created in vain attempts to get said custom reports to load into their 
>> personal installation of GnuCash. I find this circumstance to be rather 
>> troubling, as the files that a user has put into this folder should not be 
>> summarily sent to the executioner by the next version of the application. 
>> This is especially troubling given that the authorized methods for creating 
>> and using custom scheme reports (as convoluted and sensitive as they are) 
>> specifically directs such reports to be placed into this folder. If *I* were 
>> to have written a custom report for GnuCash (as opposed to simply copying 
>> someone else’s work to my own system) I would be pretty ticked off to find 
>> my work discarded this way. Thank goodness I had backups, but really, one 
>> shouldn’t have to restore from a backup on this.
>> 
>> 
>> I have now created a simple file to test out price retrieval. I put one 
>> stock account that uses AAPL, a cash account and Equity, and created a 
>> simple buy transaction (to create one price entry). For me, this file fails 
>> in the same way. I attach it here, so that someone else can test it. If it 
>> works for you, then there is something about my Mac that F::Q doesn’t like. 
>> And then I am really up the creek, because it’s a big operating system out 
>> there…
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2018, at 11:40 PM, Geert Janssens  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> You can put the attached config.user file in your DOT_GNUCASH_DIR ($HOME/
>>> Library/Application Support/Gnucash)
>>> 
>>> If you then start gnucash from the command line, it should print out the 
>>> value 
>>> of your API key there, together with the version of Finance::Quote that 

Latest version for Windows?

[cicko]

I find a bit confusing as to where to find the latest version for Windows.
The maintainance releases are apparently going out but somehow I can't
figure out what the flow is.

The main www.gnucash.org page points to
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gnucash/gnucash-2.6.19-1.setup.exe
which does not exist.

The Installation page simply points to the Windows directory on SourceForge.
The Stable version there is 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/2.6.19/gnucash-2.6.19-setup.exe/download
which looks like the first 2.6.19 version?
However, on the same page there is a hash
1fa83d9578e8c62bd7dcef3b953e0e7610bf03bed9c1a037a72a6eee1ac79e37
gnucash-2.6.19-3.setup.exe
which refers to 2.6.19-3 version for Windows(!).

And, finally, Windows wiki page (https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows)
points to 
https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/maint/
which shows what I believe are the weekly maintenance builds, based on the
info in their names and the description on the wiki page.

So, if I want to get the *latest stable version* for Windows, which one
should I use?
Thanks!



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Re: How to Manually Track a Collection of Stocks & Stuff Combined into a Single Share

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On 08/02/2018 14:28, David Carlson wrote:

If you want to create a fictional stock and manually enter prices from time
to time that is easy.

Just use the security editor and invent a name and symbol, possibly under
the group called Fund.  Do not set an online quote source.  Then manually
use the price editor to enter prices for whatever dates you like.


I think you'll find it is the value that alters not the supposed price 
which is probably a nominal 1 for the OP.


gnc deals well with the price changes but not so well with value changes.

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Re: p2x modelling in gnc, help me think, please

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On 07/02/2018 18:17, Adrien Monteleone wrote:


Go to Preferences > General > Numbers. You can increase your decimal precision. 
Did that solve the small fraction issue?


That isn't a good way to go if your base currency is a 2 decimal one. 
Creating a commodity with the appropriate number of decimals and using 
that is better.


By chance there is another more recent but simpler thread

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Subject: How to Manually Track a Collection of Stocks & Stuff Combined 
into a Single Share

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it is the same basic problem.  "put the other leg in equity" doesn't 
work for me and the variance is actually the value not the price which 
is what makes them different to traded investments which gnc deals with 
well as you can just put the the date and price in for market traded things.



As for modeling the investment, I’m not familiar with p2x. I’ll let someone 
else chime in who is.

On that note, I tried looking it up but didn’t come up with anything useful 
explaining it. Do you have a few info links I could pour over? Once I 
understand what it is, I might be able to help modeling it in Gnucash.

The only related thing I found was Peer-to-Peer lending but that didn’t involve 
negative interest rates as far as I could tell.


peer to peer is now p2x in common terms because the second peer is no 
longer an individual in most cases and almost all lending goes through 
an intermediary.  very few actual p2p transactions happen.


the lending can now involve: personal loans (how it started), mortgages, 
agriculture loans, 3rd world specific investments, invoice factoring, 
business loans, pawnbroking, etc and possibly some other stuff you and I 
probably don't want to know about or get involved in :)  I stick to 
reliable exchanges.


Perhaps I should have left out the word "interest" if it is confusing. 
A non zero return occurs if you buy an interest bearing instrument at 
anything other than par.  You are buying someone else's interest (a 
premium) or getting some of their interest because they don't want the 
risk of the principle (a discount).  There are loads of other reasons 
for buying and selling, of course.


The point is interest and other returns are *traded* and I'm not finding 
it obvious how to do this in gnc as part of a composite tx.


gnc likes simple investment returns

one leg asset receiving
one leg income to balance
third leg asset to join them up

or similar.

Maybe I should change the way I work so that I produce 3 tx per month

asset change
income
and the one gnc wants

I'm certain my tx is right in accounting terms but somehow it isn't 
being  "seen" by gnc for what it is.


Anyway, it has been useful to me to explain so no harm done.  Who knows 
I may wake up with the answer tomorrow, I am certainly closer in my own 
mind.


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