Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-06 Thread Geoff Jankowski via gnucash-user
Happily I am not married to my accountant! Geoff Jankowski +33 6 22 93 00 53 +44 7770 584838 iPhone 5SE > On 5 Sep 2018, at 21:37, Stephen M. Butler wrote: > >> On 09/05/2018 12:05 PM, Christian Kluge wrote: >>> Am 05.09.2018 um 20:42 schrieb Geoff Jankowski via gnucash-user: >>> David >>>

Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread prl
For what it's worth, both my oldish Macquarie Australian Dictionary and my even older Shorter Oxford agree that Dr is an abbreviation for debtor. Neither gives any etymology for the abbreviation and the Oxford doesn't give any historical reference for it. The online free Oxford dictionary

Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread David Cousens
On Wed, 2018-09-05 at 16:08 +0100, Colin Law wrote: > Wow, well now we know (or actually don't know), but we know we don't > know in great depth and detail :) Colin I think that pretty well sums up the arguments between various accountancy historians. David

Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread David Cousens
Geoff On Wed, 2018-09-05 at 20:42 +0200, Geoff Jankowski via gnucash-user wrote: > For example, if I take cash from the cash box and deposit it at the bank I > enter a cr to the cashbook and a dr to the > bank account. I don't find the above really counterintuitive. It treats the cash book and

Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread Stephen M. Butler
On 09/05/2018 12:05 PM, Christian Kluge wrote: > Am 05.09.2018 um 20:42 schrieb Geoff Jankowski via gnucash-user: >> David >> >> I would love to agree with you but….. >> >> In standard journal notation cr is a debt and dr an asset. This is because >> it is nothing to do with credit (+ve) and

Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread Roger Miskowicz
I thought that debit and credit only existed in double entry accounting and simply identified columns as either Left or Right? On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:43 PM Geoff Jankowski via gnucash-user < gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote: > David > > I would love to agree with you but….. > > In standard

Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread Christian Kluge
Am 05.09.2018 um 20:42 schrieb Geoff Jankowski via gnucash-user: > David > > I would love to agree with you but….. > > In standard journal notation cr is a debt and dr an asset. This is because > it is nothing to do with credit (+ve) and debit (-ve) in any sense (or tense) > but to do with a

Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread Mike or Penny Novack
On 9/5/2018 2:42 PM, Geoff Jankowski via gnucash-user wrote: David I would love to agree with you but….. In standard journal notation cr is a debt and dr an asset. This is because it is nothing to do with credit (+ve) and debit (-ve) in any sense (or tense) but to do with a creditor (to

Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread Christian Kluge
Hi Am 05.09.2018 um 16:58 schrieb David Cousens: > Derek > > […] the first documented use of the accounting equation used the terms debere > (to owe) and credere (to entrust) to describe > the two sides of the basic accounting equation but there is also evidence > that Pacciola used Per

Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread Geoff Jankowski via gnucash-user
David I would love to agree with you but….. In standard journal notation cr is a debt and dr an asset. This is because it is nothing to do with credit (+ve) and debit (-ve) in any sense (or tense) but to do with a creditor (to whom we owe) and a debtor (who owes us). Hence dr and cr relate

Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread Colin Law
Wow, well now we know (or actually don't know), but we know we don't know in great depth and detail :) Colin On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 at 16:01, David Cousens wrote: > > Derek > > Latin past participles of creditum and debitum are debere and credere are a > possible explanation. Another theory is the

Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread David Cousens
Derek Latin past participles of creditum and debitum are debere and credere are a possible explanation. Another theory is the Dr stands for debit record and Cr credit record. Another is that Dr is from debtors and Cr is from creditors. I favour the first because Luca Pacciola who is often

Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread Geoff Jankowski via gnucash-user
Debtor = dr Creditor = cr Geoff +44 20 7100 1092 +44 7770 58 48 38 +33 5 46 97 13 89 +33 6 22 93 00 53 > On 5 Sep 2018, at 15:59, Derek Atkins wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm an Engineer by training; I've picked up a ton of accounting > knowledge just by being involved here for the

[GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?

2018-09-05 Thread Derek Atkins
Hi All, I'm an Engineer by training; I've picked up a ton of accounting knowledge just by being involved here for the past few decades, but there's one thing I've seen recently that I honestly don't underdstand and would appreciate if a CPA or Accounting Historian could answer. Specifically,