Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 04:55:56AM +0100, Hauke Laging wrote: [snip] Now my point: Keys can be converted from one format to the other. The fingerprint changes but obviously the keygrip doesn't. I believe it would make a lot of sense to create a connection between gpg and gpgsm and point

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 02/04/2014 09:01 AM, Mark H. Wood wrote: Having said that, you might look at how OpenSSH has included X.509 certificates in its operation. There is precedent for something like what you suggest. fwiw, the answer here is they haven't. Roumen Petrov's X.509 patches remain outside of OpenSSH

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 02/03/2014 10:55 PM, Hauke Laging wrote: This idea came to my mind while I was wondering why several CAs offer free (but rather useless...) certificates for X.509 but not for OpenPGP. Whatever they do with X.509 can be done with OpenPGP, too (e.g. setting an expiration date for the

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Di 04.02.2014, 11:09:42 schrieb Daniel Kahn Gillmor: We have such an indicator format going in the opposite direction (pointing from X.509 to the related OpenPGP cert). In particular, it's the X509v3 extension known as PGPExtension Interesting, I didn't know that. I don't know of a

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 4 February 2014 15:47, Daniel Kahn Gillmor d...@fifthhorseman.net wrote: On 02/04/2014 09:01 AM, Mark H. Wood wrote: Having said that, you might look at how OpenSSH has included X.509 certificates in its operation. There is precedent for something like what you suggest. fwiw, the

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 4 February 2014 15:47, Daniel Kahn Gillmor d...@fifthhorseman.net wrote: On 02/04/2014 09:01 AM, Mark H. Wood wrote: Having said that, you might look at how OpenSSH has included X.509 certificates in its operation. There is precedent for something like what you suggest. fwiw, the

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 04/02/14 17:09, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: If there is a public CA that is willing to offer OpenPGP certificates, i would like to know about it (whether they offer them with the same key they use for their X.509 activities or not). FWIW, CACert signs OpenPGP keys of verified people with key

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Werner Koch
On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:09, d...@fifthhorseman.net said: I don't know of a formalized way to do the other mapping, but it seems like it would be pretty straightforward to embed the full X.509 certificate in a notation packet on a self-sig (presumably a self-sig PGP does this. IIRC, Hal Finney

Re: MUA automatically signs keys?

2014-02-04 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Friday 31 January 2014 at 9:24:17 AM, in mid:20140131092417.6515e1b0@steves-laptop, Steve Jones wrote: Well the conventions of use, for example the key signing party protocol, requires photographic id. If I publicly sign a key it has

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Di 04.02.2014, 19:38:07 schrieb Peter Lebbing: And CACert still isn't in the default trusted root bundle on quite some systems, I believe. And will probably never be. extending the trust in that broken model to OpenPGP That is not what I suggest. You can assign certification trust to

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Di 04.02.2014, 21:05:10 schrieb Werner Koch: On Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:09, d...@fifthhorseman.net said: I don't know of a formalized way to do the other mapping, but it seems like it would be pretty straightforward to embed the full X.509 certificate in a notation packet on a self-sig

Re: making the X.509 infrastructure available for OpenPGP

2014-02-04 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 02/04/2014 12:36 PM, Hauke Laging wrote: I don't know of a formalized way to do the other mapping, but it seems like it would be pretty straightforward to embed the full X.509 certificate in a notation packet Why wouldn't the fingerprint and the DN not be enough? The whole approach is