Re: Is there a chance smartcards have a backdoor? (was Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?)

2013-12-08 Thread Paul R. Ramer
Peter Lebbing pe...@digitalbrains.com wrote: On 05/12/13 13:20, Paul R. Ramer wrote: On that note, why assume that the manufacturer would not do the opposite: feign helping the spy agency by giving them a compromised ROM and then substituting a secure one on the real product. In either case, we

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-08 Thread Werner Koch
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:29, ein...@pvv.org said: AFAIK, the US has no import restrictions on cryptography, and the RSA patent ran out years ago, so e.g. shop.kernelconcepts.de should be able to ship it to you. IIRC, Petra of kernelconcepts told me that there is no problem for them to ship to

Re: Is there a chance smartcards have a backdoor? (was Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?)

2013-12-08 Thread NdK
Il 08/12/2013 14:15, Mark Schneider ha scritto: A little security is not real security. There always can be backdoors in the firmware (BIOS, closed source drivers etc). Why is everyone thinking 'BIOS' as backdoorable piece of sw? Why not the hard disk? http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack Just

Re: Is there a chance smartcards have a backdoor? (was Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?)

2013-12-08 Thread Mark Schneider
Am 08.12.2013 19:13, schrieb NdK: Why is everyone thinking 'BIOS' as backdoorable piece of sw? Why not the hard disk? http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack Just another piece to think of when building a secure system... Excellent article! Thank you. Writing firmware I meant every piece of code

Re: Is there a chance smartcards have a backdoor? (was Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?)

2013-12-08 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 08/12/13 21:13, Mark Schneider wrote: BTW: there is no video at: http://achtbaan.nikhef.nl/events/OHM/video/d2-t1-13-20130801-2300-hard_disks_more_than_just_block_devices-sprite_tm.m4v You can find it at:

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-07 Thread Einar Ryeng
On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 06:41:31PM +, Bob (Robert) Cavanaugh wrote: If it is not violating any agreements or policies, can somebody on this thread please point to a source in the US for these products? AFAIK, the US has no import restrictions on cryptography, and the RSA patent ran out

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-06 Thread Werner Koch
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 21:14, ein...@pvv.org said: Gemalto SIM USB adapter seems to be sort of the same thing as the Crypto Stick. However, it is a bit more hassle to get a USB adapter and a smart card, cut the card to fit etc. That is not a problem. You can buy pre-punched standard OpenPGP

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-06 Thread Christophe Brocas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 06/12/2013 09:51, Werner Koch a écrit : On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 21:14, ein...@pvv.org said: Gemalto SIM USB adapter seems to be sort of the same thing as the Crypto Stick. However, it is a bit more hassle to get a USB adapter and a smart card,

RE: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-06 Thread Bob (Robert) Cavanaugh
, 2013 12:51 AM To: Einar Ryeng Cc: gnupg-users@gnupg.org Subject: Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick? On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 21:14, ein...@pvv.org said: Gemalto SIM USB adapter seems to be sort of the same thing as the Crypto Stick. However, it is a bit more hassle to get a USB adapter

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-05 Thread Paul R. Ramer
Peter Lebbing pe...@digitalbrains.com wrote: On 02/12/13 20:37, Andreas Schwier (ML) wrote: Wait a second - you can not simply hide a backdoor in a Common Criteria evaluated operating system. There are too many entities that would need to be involved in the process Why couldn't the

Is there a chance smartcards have a backdoor? (was Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?)

2013-12-05 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 05/12/13 13:20, Paul R. Ramer wrote: On that note, why assume that the manufacturer would not do the opposite: feign helping the spy agency by giving them a compromised ROM and then substituting a secure one on the real product. In either case, we are assuming the company would try to

Is there a chance smartcards have a backdoor? (was Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?)

2013-12-05 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 05/12/13 13:20, Paul R. Ramer wrote: On that note, why assume that the manufacturer would not do the opposite: feign helping the spy agency By the way, there's a big difference. In the scenario that they install a backdoor but don't show it to the certification entities and such, they do

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-05 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 04:20:42AM -0800, Paul R. Ramer wrote: Peter Lebbing pe...@digitalbrains.com wrote: On 02/12/13 20:37, Andreas Schwier (ML) wrote: Wait a second - you can not simply hide a backdoor in a Common Criteria evaluated operating system. There are too many entities that

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-05 Thread Einar Ryeng
On Sun, Dec 01, 2013 at 01:21:56PM +0100, arne renkema-padmos wrote: On 12/01/2013 12:45 PM, Einar Ryeng wrote: Any news on the crypto stick (or similar initiatives) would be appreciated. An OpenPGP card with something like a Gemalto SIM usb adapter would seem to fit the bill. Thanks for

Re: Is there a chance smartcards have a backdoor? (was Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?)

2013-12-05 Thread Kristian Fiskerstrand
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 12/05/2013 08:08 PM, Peter Lebbing wrote: On 05/12/13 13:20, Paul R. Ramer wrote: On that note, why assume that the manufacturer would not do the opposite: feign helping the spy agency by giving them a compromised ROM and then substituting a

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-03 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 07:33:22PM +0100, Peter Lebbing wrote: [snip] Since smartcards are primarily used for security purposes, I wouldn't be surprised if it responded specially to a message signed by the NSA (or encrypted with a symmetric cipher with a specific key known to the NSA). I

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-03 Thread NdK
Il 03/12/2013 15:30, Mark H. Wood ha scritto: I wonder how feasible that really is. The system surrounding the card is not under control of the card's manufacturer or anyone who might have corrupted him. All it takes is one knowledgable person watching the data stream for interesting

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-02 Thread NdK
Il 01/12/2013 20:09, Tristan Santore ha scritto: You might want to check out the Yubikey guys. They make a yubikey with an openpgp applet. https://www.yubico.com/2012/12/yubikey-neo-openpgp/ Yubikeys would be interesting, if only it would be possible to develop personal applets to load on 'em.

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-02 Thread Thomas Harning Jr.
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:24 AM, NdK ndk.cla...@gmail.com wrote: Il 01/12/2013 20:09, Tristan Santore ha scritto: You might want to check out the Yubikey guys. They make a yubikey with an openpgp applet. https://www.yubico.com/2012/12/yubikey-neo-openpgp/ Yubikeys would be interesting, if

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-02 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 02/12/13 15:24, NdK wrote: Who can you really trust? If you don't trust NXP, then you can't use any of their JCOP chips... What would stop 'em from adding an undocumented command to the card manager that dumps the whole memory? Exactly the point I was going to make when I read your mail up

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-02 Thread Andreas Schwier (ML)
Wait a second - you can not simply hide a backdoor in a Common Criteria evaluated operating system. There are too many entities that would need to be involved in the process: The manufacturer, the evaluator, the certification body and possibly a national regulator (Here for example NXP, TÜV-IT,

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-02 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 02/12/13 20:37, Andreas Schwier (ML) wrote: Wait a second - you can not simply hide a backdoor in a Common Criteria evaluated operating system. There are too many entities that would need to be involved in the process Why couldn't the manufacturer simply put a different, backdoored firmware

Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-01 Thread Einar Ryeng
Hi. The GPF Crypto Stick has been unavailable for months now, and I wondered if anyone here has information on its future. After the German Privacy Foundation apparently closed down this summer, I've started getting worried that we've seen the end of what I consider the most practical hardware

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-01 Thread Josef Schneider
Einar Ryeng schrieb: Hi. The GPF Crypto Stick has been unavailable for months now, and I wondered if anyone here has information on its future. Any news on the crypto stick (or similar initiatives) would be appreciated. I just use a OpenPGP Card in a small gemalto stick reader. AFAIK

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-01 Thread Tristan Santore
On 01/12/13 17:01, Josef Schneider wrote: Einar Ryeng schrieb: Hi. The GPF Crypto Stick has been unavailable for months now, and I wondered if anyone here has information on its future. Any news on the crypto stick (or similar initiatives) would be appreciated. I just use a OpenPGP

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-01 Thread Nils Faerber
Am 01.12.2013 18:01, schrieb Josef Schneider: Einar Ryeng schrieb: Hi. The GPF Crypto Stick has been unavailable for months now, and I wondered if anyone here has information on its future. Any news on the crypto stick (or similar initiatives) would be appreciated. I just use

Re: Any future for the Crypto Stick?

2013-12-01 Thread arne renkema-padmos
On 12/01/2013 12:45 PM, Einar Ryeng wrote: Hi. The GPF Crypto Stick has been unavailable for months now, and I wondered if anyone here has information on its future. After the German Privacy Foundation apparently closed down this summer, I've started getting worried that we've seen the end of