The problem is motivational

2011-10-20 Thread M.R.
Over the last year Marcus and me discussed ideas on how to make encryption easier for non-crypto geeks. We prepared a short paper... Interesting. However, the problem of widening email encryption practice is not technical, it is motivational. Broadly speaking, there are those that have

Re: The problem is motivational

2011-10-20 Thread Werner Koch
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 07:39, makro...@gmail.com said: Interesting. However, the problem of widening email encryption practice is not technical, it is motivational. Right and that is why it encryption must be the default. On the other hand, I keep wondering: why are we (and we obviously are,

Re: The problem is motivational

2011-10-20 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 10/20/2011 1:39 AM, M.R. wrote: Interesting. However, the problem of widening email encryption practice is not technical, it is motivational. Absolutely agreed. Shirley Gaw, Ed Felten and Patricia Fernandez-Kelly had a wonderful paper a few years ago, Secrecy, Flagging, and Paranoia:

Re: The problem is motivational

2011-10-20 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 05:39:28AM +, M.R. wrote: On the other hand, I keep wondering: why are we (and we obviously are, witness this paper and the initiative behind it) so motivated to spread the gospel of e-mail encryption among those that completely lack the motivation for it? o

Re: The problem is motivational

2011-10-20 Thread Mark H. Wood
BTW I have nothing to hide but like my privacy anyway. Privacy is essential for maintaining personal boundaries, as well as security. (That said, the vast majority of my use of crypto in email is to establish identity, not to protect privacy. I *want* to be positively identifiable in most

Re: The problem is motivational

2011-10-20 Thread Mark H. Wood
I suspect that, for many, too hard to do is not as significant a factor as too hard to believe in. Over here, doctors' offices have at last been dragged, kicking and screaming, into the mid 20th century and will at least use FAX to transmit prescriptions to the pharmacy, but mention e-mail and

Re: The problem is motivational

2011-10-20 Thread M.R.
On 20/10/11 12:30, Robert J. Hansen wrote: ...Shirley Gaw, Ed Felten and Patricia Fernandez-Kelly had a wonderful paper a few years ago, Secrecy, Flagging, and Paranoia: Adoption Criteria in Encrypted Email... Thanks for the link, interesting reading. The quote from the paper that follows

Re: The problem is motivational

2011-10-20 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 10/20/11 11:34 AM, M.R. wrote: I propose this way of thinking is counterproductive. It will not succeed in any meaningful way, because encryption by default is a completely unrealistic goal... Only he who attempts the absurd is capable of achieving the impossible. -- Miguel de Unamuno He

Re: The problem is motivational

2011-10-20 Thread MichaelQuigley
- Message from M.R. makro...@gmail.com on Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:34:29 + - To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org Subject: Re: The problem is motivational On 20/10/11 12:30, Robert J. Hansen wrote