Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2015-03-19 Thread Sam Kuper
On 13/01/2014, Peter Lebbing pe...@digitalbrains.com wrote: On 12/01/14 00:18, Sam Kuper wrote: Again, perhaps I am wrong. But if I am not, then the use of OpenPGP cards with non-pinpad readers still makes no sense (at least, not to me). Since most readers don't filter VERIFY commands Yes,

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-13 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 12/01/14 00:18, Sam Kuper wrote: Again, perhaps I am wrong. But if I am not, then the use of OpenPGP cards with non-pinpad readers still makes no sense (at least, not to me). Since most readers don't filter VERIFY commands and additionally you can't force the OpenPGP smartcard to require a

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-12 Thread Sam Kuper
On Jan 12, 2014 3:52 AM, MFPA 2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net wrote: Sam Kuper wrote: Yes, as I said, it could tamper with the message. But if it does that, then when a recipient attempts to verify the signature, gpg --verify will give the message, gpg: BAD signature. Not if the

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-11 Thread Sam Kuper
On 07/01/2014, Peter Lebbing pe...@digitalbrains.com wrote: On 07/01/14 17:27, Werner Koch wrote: See the card HOWTO or try gpg --card-edit, admin, help. Additionally, in the OpenPGP Card 2.0.1 spec, the DO with tag C4 on page 17, section 7.2.2 (VERIFY) and section 7.2.8 (PSO: COMPUTE

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-11 Thread Sam Kuper
On Jan 9, 2014 7:16 PM, David Tomaschik da...@systemoverlord.com wrote: if the machine you are using for crypto operations is compromised, you have lost (at least for the operations conducted while it is compromised) Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't entirely accept this. Surely if you are

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-11 Thread David Tomaschik
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: On Jan 9, 2014 7:16 PM, David Tomaschik da...@systemoverlord.com wrote: if the machine you are using for crypto operations is compromised, you have lost (at least for the operations conducted while it is compromised)

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-11 Thread Sam Kuper
On 11/01/2014, David Tomaschik da...@systemoverlord.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: On Jan 9, 2014 7:16 PM, David Tomaschik da...@systemoverlord.com wrote: if the machine you are using for crypto operations is compromised, you have lost (at

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-09 Thread Sam Kuper
On 07/01/2014, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: On 06/01/2014, Werner Koch w...@gnupg.org wrote: The question is whether this is really helpful. Yes, it protects your PIN That is helpful. No question about this part! Perhaps I should be clearer about why I believe it is unquestionably

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-09 Thread David Tomaschik
Ignoring the fact that if the machine you are using for crypto operations is compromised, you have lost (at least for the operations conducted while it is compromised), a smartcard without a PIN pad may compromise your pin (and allow arbitrary operations while the smartcard is protected) but still

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-07 Thread Sam Kuper
Dear Werner, Thank you for your kind reply. On 06/01/2014, Werner Koch w...@gnupg.org wrote: The question is whether this is really helpful. Yes, it protects your PIN That is helpful. No question about this part! After a successful verification of the PIN the card allows the use of the

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-07 Thread Werner Koch
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 16:28, sam.ku...@uclmail.net said: PSO:DEC but does not define it. That document also mentions PSO:DECRYPT but does not define it. And finally, that document defines PSO: DECIPHER. Are these three terms synonyms, or do they I guess so. 2. I assume that your PSO Decrypt

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-07 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 07/01/14 17:27, Werner Koch wrote: See the card HOWTO or try gpg --card-edit, admin, help. Additionally, in the OpenPGP Card 2.0.1 spec, the DO with tag C4 on page 17, section 7.2.2 (VERIFY) and section 7.2.8 (PSO: COMPUTE DIGITAL SIGNATURE) all specify this one-VERIFY-per-SIG behaviour.

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-06 Thread Werner Koch
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:18, sam.ku...@uclmail.net said: The question is whether this is really helpful. Yes, it protects your PIN but it does not protect the use of your decryption key. Please could you elaborate? To make use of the decryption key the smartcard first requires that a VERIFY

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-06 Thread NdK
Il 06/01/2014 10:34, Werner Koch ha scritto: To make use of the decryption key the smartcard first requires that a VERIFY command is send to the card. This is what asks for the PIN. After a successful verification of the PIN the card allows the use of the PSO Decrypt command until a power

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-06 Thread Michel Messerschmidt
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 10:34:06AM +0100, Werner Koch wrote: an attacking malware only needs to trick you info decrypt an arbitrary message and is then free to use the smartcard without having the reader ask you again for a PIN. Although these are important attacks to consider, PIN entry on

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-05 Thread Werner Koch
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 05:02, sam.ku...@uclmail.net said: conventional USB stick-sized readers (e.g. Omnikey 6121) + ID-000 Take care: The Omnikey does not work with free software and 2048 bit or larger keys. Better get a Gemalto or Identive (SCM) reader. In group 2 above, the smallest reader I

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-05 Thread Sam Kuper
On Jan 5, 2014 1:18 PM, Werner Koch w...@gnupg.org wrote: On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 05:02, sam.ku...@uclmail.net said: Take care: The Omnikey does not work with free software and 2048 bit or larger keys. Better get a Gemalto or Identive (SCM) reader. Thanks for the warning :) In group 2 above,

Re: USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-04 Thread Sam Kuper
On 05/01/2014, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: In group 2 above, the smallest reader I have found online which offers secure PIN entry is the ACR83. Hm, I've now found several mailing list and forum discussions, etc, that indicate the ACR83 is not compatible with OpenPGP cards. That's a

USB key form-factor smart-card readers with pinpads?

2014-01-04 Thread Sam Kuper
Dear GnuPG users, I am new to this list, so please be gentle. At some point in the coming months, I may try to obtain an OpenPGP smart card and reader. At the moment, such combinations, whether separable or combined into a single device, seem to be available in two form factors, neither of