Re: Why a full keys and sub keys backup are not proposed when keys and sub keys are done on-card ?

2009-09-28 Thread Werner Koch
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:59, tux.tsn...@free.fr said:

 Thanks for your answer, I'm agree with you for sign key, but for the
 authentication key, if it's used to ssh server connection on more than
 100 servers for the user root for example, if you lost this key, you

It is always a tradeoff between security and convenience.  Most users
don't have access to that many machines and thus it is easier to use a
console login to replace the lost key than to have a backup somewhere
floating around.

It is anyway only the default and you can just replace the
authentication key with an on-disk created one.  Or manually initialize
the card using keytocard.

Another approach is to have a second card and also install its public
key on the servers.


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   Werner

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Why a full keys and sub keys backup are not proposed when keys and sub keys are done on-card ?

2009-09-28 Thread tux . tsndcb
Hi Werner,

Thanks for these informations.

Best Regards


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Objet: Re: Why a full keys and sub keys backup are not proposed when keys and 
sub keys are done on-card ?

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:59, tux.tsn...@free.fr said:

 Thanks for your answer, I'm agree with you for sign key, but for the
 authentication key, if it's used to ssh server connection on more than
 100 servers for the user root for example, if you lost this key, you

It is always a tradeoff between security and convenience.  Most users
don't have access to that many machines and thus it is easier to use a
console login to replace the lost key than to have a backup somewhere
floating around.

It is anyway only the default and you can just replace the
authentication key with an on-disk created one.  Or manually initialize
the card using keytocard.

Another approach is to have a second card and also install its public
key on the servers.


Salam-Shalom,

   Werner

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Why a full keys and sub keys backup are not proposed when keys and sub keys are done on-card ?

2009-09-27 Thread tux . tsndcb
Hi,

Just for information, I wanted to known why you don't propose a full backup of 
the three keys (Sign, encryption and authentication) when keys are generated 
on-card. Because only encryption key is backupted, a good idea will be 
perhaps to add also authentication key in the backup.

Thanks for more information about it.

Best Regards

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Re: Why a full keys and sub keys backup are not proposed when keys and sub keys are done on-card ?

2009-09-27 Thread Werner Koch
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:38, tux.tsn...@free.fr said:

 Just for information, I wanted to known why you don't propose a full backup 
 of the three keys (Sign, encryption and authentication) when keys are 
 generated on-card. Because only encryption key is backupted, a good idea 
 will be perhaps to add also authentication key in the backup.

A lost of a signing or authentication key is usually not that
problematic.  You can simply create a new one and use it from then on.

If you don't have access to the decryption key anymore you won't be
able to decrypt any of the data you decrypted in the past to that key.
Thus some kind of recovery is in most cases very useful.


Shalom-Salam,

   Werner

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Why a full keys and sub keys backup are not proposed when keys and sub keys are done on-card ?

2009-09-27 Thread tux . tsndcb
Hi Werner,

Thanks for your answer, I'm agree with you for sign key, but for the 
authentication key, if it's used to ssh server connection on more than 100 
servers for the user root for example, if you lost this key, you cannot more 
connect on server with the user root. In this case, I think it will be a big 
problematic. It's for that than I suggested to add the authentication key, but 
it's just a suggestion.

Best Regards


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De: Werner Koch w...@gnupg.org
À: tux tsndcb tux.tsn...@free.fr
Cc: gnupg-users@gnupg.org
Envoyé: Dimanche 27 Septembre 2009 13h09:36 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / 
Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
Objet: Re: Why a full keys and sub keys backup are not proposed when keys and 
sub keys are done on-card ?

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:38, tux.tsn...@free.fr said:

 Just for information, I wanted to known why you don't propose a full backup 
 of the three keys (Sign, encryption and authentication) when keys are 
 generated on-card. Because only encryption key is backupted, a good idea 
 will be perhaps to add also authentication key in the backup.

A lost of a signing or authentication key is usually not that
problematic.  You can simply create a new one and use it from then on.

If you don't have access to the decryption key anymore you won't be
able to decrypt any of the data you decrypted in the past to that key.
Thus some kind of recovery is in most cases very useful.


Shalom-Salam,

   Werner

-- 
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