[GOAL] The Finch Report: UCL's David Price Responds

2012-06-19 Thread Richard Poynder
find millions of pounds in existing budgets to fund OA charges. That means that some things will have to stop to make the necessary monies available." "The Finch recommendations are not good news for the Humanities, whose unit of publication is characteristically the research monograph. W

[GOAL] Re: RCUK & EC Did Not Follow Finch/Willets, They Rejected It, Promptly and Prominently!

2012-07-18 Thread Kiley, Robert
My reading of the RCUK policy is somewhat different to Stevan's. In short, I see clear parallels between what Finch recommended (disclosure - I sat on the Finch Working Group) and the RCUK policy. Specifically: · Finch recommended gold OA and flexible funding arrangements to

[GOAL] Re: The Finch Report in a global Open Access landscape

2012-06-25 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2012-06-25, at 4:24 AM, Richard Poynder wrote: Director of UCL Library Services Paul Ayris on the Finch Report. Some quotes: "The Finch Report <http://www.researchinfonet.org/publish/finch/>, which was recently published in the UK, has caused a storm of comment, even controversy

[GOAL] RCUK & EC Did Not Follow Finch/Willets, They Rejected It, Promptly and Prominently!

2012-07-17 Thread Stevan Harnad
**Cross-posted* * * *RCUK & EC DID NOT FOLLOW FINCH/WILLETS, * *THEY REJECTED IT, PROMPTLY AND PROMINENTLY!* * * Irony of ironies, that it should now appear (to some who are not paying attention) as if the the RCUK & EC were following the recommendations of Finch/Willets when in point

[GOAL] OA Week: Testing the Finch Hypothesis on Green OA Mandate Effectiveness

2012-10-26 Thread Stevan Harnad
In June 2012, the UK Finch Committee made the following statement: *"The [Green OA] policies of neither research funders nor universities themselves have yet had a major effect in ensuring that researchers make their publications accessible in institutional repositories…"* *[Finch

[GOAL] The Finch Report in a global Open Access landscape

2012-06-25 Thread Richard Poynder
Director of UCL Library Services Paul Ayris on the Finch Report. Some quotes: "The Finch Report <http://www.researchinfonet.org/publish/finch/>, which was recently published in the UK, has caused a storm of comment, even controversy. Responses have been lined up behind the ba

[GOAL] Re: Testing the Finch Hypothesis on Green OA Mandate Ineffectiveness

2012-10-27 Thread Stevan Harnad
based, especially to counter the extensive negative effects of the publishing lobby, as most dramatically exerted very recently on the Finch Report and the resulting RCUK policy<http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/342580/1/harnad-cilip.pdf> . Stevan Harnad -- > *Fro

[GOAL] Re: Martin Hall's Defence of the UK Finch Committee Recommendations: Green or Gold? Open Access After Finch

2012-11-12 Thread Frederick Friend
I read Martin Hall’s defence of the Finch Group Recommendations very carefully, because one curious feature of this episode in the development of open access in the UK is the way in which previously staunch defenders of open access through repositories who were members of the Finch Group have

[GOAL] Re: RCUK & EC Did Not Follow Finch/Willets, They Rejected It, Promptly and Prominently!

2012-07-19 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Kiley, Robert [Wellcome Trust] wrote: My reading of the RCUK policy is somewhat different to Stevan’s. In short, > I see clear parallels between what Finch recommended (disclosure – I sat on > the Finch Working Group) and the RCUK policy. > > **·

[GOAL] Finch II: "Our Mind's Made Up: Don't Confuse Us With Facts"

2013-11-17 Thread Stevan Harnad
*Finch Report II: A Review of Progress in Implementing the Recommendations of the Finch Report ("Accessibility, Sustainability, Excellence: How to Expand Access to Research Publications")* "*Our review is based on a rigorous analysis of evidence from a wide range of sources*."

[GOAL] Re: HEFCE Consultation on limiting submission to future REF to Open Access papers

2013-10-09 Thread Stevan Harnad
mply with both > Hefce and Springer CTA requirements. > Are you kidding, Graham? (These arguments sound as strained and far-fetched as the OJ Simpson defence-team's arguments!) *GT:* No publisher [in that 60%] has ever introduced an embargo where there > wasn't one before. >

[GOAL] Martin Hall's Defence of the UK Finch Committee Recommendations: Green or Gold? Open Access After Finch

2012-11-10 Thread Stevan Harnad
Martin Hall: "Green or Gold? Open Access After Finch" http://uksg.metapress.com/content/e062u112h295h114/fulltext.html Fuller hyperlinked version of this posting: http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/956-guid.html The substance of Martin Hall's defence of the Finch

[GOAL] Finch Fiasco in Figures

2012-06-22 Thread Stevan Harnad
**Cross-Posted ** The Finch Report<http://www.researchinfonet.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Finch-Group-report-FINAL-VERSION.pdf>, under strong and palpable influence from the publishing lobby, instead of recommending extending and optimizing the UK's worldwide lead in providing Gre

[GOAL] [SCHOLCOMM] Re: Martin Hall's Defence of the UK Finch Committee Recommendations: Green or Gold? Open Access After Finch

2012-11-12 Thread Sandy Thatcher
nificant, admittedly. Sandy Thatcher At 4:01 PM + 11/12/12, Frederick Friend wrote: I read Martin Hall's defence of the Finch Group Recommendations very carefully, because one curious feature of this episode in the development of open access in the UK is the way in which previously

[GOAL] Re: Adam Tickel on Finch Report, Green OA and Peer Review Costs in Times Higher Ed

2012-07-18 Thread Tim Brody
On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 10:42 +0100, Steve Hitchcock wrote: > I can't help recall the frankly scathing and patronising treatment of > the RCUK draft OA policy revealed in the Finch minutes of 27 April. > Those minutes have been removed, but were reported by Stephen Curry > and

[GOAL] Re: RCUK & EC Did Not Follow Finch/Willets

2012-07-18 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2012-07-18, Anthony Watkinson on LIBLICENSE wrote: > There were three publishers on the Finch committee (out of seventeen > members)... [1] > > I do not know of any evidence that they had a special line to Finch > herself or any special privileges. I do not know of any spec

[GOAL] Re: Adam Tickel on Finch Report, Green OA and Peer Review Costs in Times Higher Ed

2012-07-18 Thread Stevan Harnad
THE FINCH FOLLIES Adam Tickell wrote: "The EU's policy, as announced today, is exactly the same as the approach articulated by the UK government yesterday and there is no contrast between them, with the exception that BIS will allow longer embargo periods than the EU where no

[GOAL] {Disarmed} Clarification of the new OA policy from the RCUK

2012-08-22 Thread Peter Suber
between the new RCUK policy <http://goo.gl/AsT0X> and the Finch recommendations <http://goo.gl/lgD4M>, especially on (1) embargoes, (2) open licenses, and (3) the role of green OA. I knew that the RCUK disbursed public funds but was independent of the government. I wanted to learn mor

[GOAL] Re: [SCHOLCOMM] Re: Martin Hall's Defence of the UK Finch Committee Recommendations: Green or Gold? Open Access After Finch

2012-11-13 Thread Jan Szczepanski
ial one. When it > is as high as Elsevier's is claimed to be, that can be significant, > admittedly. > > Sandy Thatcher > > > > At 4:01 PM + 11/12/12, Frederick Friend wrote: > > I read Martin Hall's defence of the Finch Group Recommendations very > care

[GOAL] The UK Publishers Association comments on the Finch Report

2012-07-01 Thread Richard Poynder
An interview with Graham Taylor, Director of Educational, Academic and Professional Publishing at the UK-based Publishers Association. Some extracts below. * On whether the Finch Committee (made up of funders, learned societies, libraries, research institutions and publishers) succumbed to

[GOAL] The Less (Extra) Money You Spend On Repositories, The Better!

2012-07-19 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2012-07-19, at 10:13 AM, Prof. T.D. Wilson wrote: While I agree with virtually all that Stevan Harnad has to say about Finch > and Willets, I doubt that repositories can be regarded as "cost free": in > addition to the costs of providing and maintaining the appropriate dat

[GOAL] Where now for OA in the UK?

2013-11-27 Thread Friend, Fred
Three recent official documents have presented marginally different views of the future of OA in the UK: the Review of the 2012 Finch Report, the Government Response to the criticisms from Parliament's BIS Committee, and the RCUK's Response to the same Committee. Although all three

[GOAL] Re: Adam Tickel on Finch Report, Green OA and Peer Review Costs in Times Higher Ed

2012-07-18 Thread Steve Hitchcock
I can't help recall the frankly scathing and patronising treatment of the RCUK draft OA policy revealed in the Finch minutes of 27 April. Those minutes have been removed, but were reported by Stephen Curry and myself. RCUK may have made some adjustments to the policy as a result, but overa

[GOAL] Re: {Disarmed} Clarification of the new OA policy from the RCUK

2012-08-23 Thread Tim Brody
for developing and implementing the RCUK Open Access policy. > > I initially contacted him to talk about what I took to be important > differences between the new RCUK policy <http://goo.gl/AsT0X> and the Finch > recommendations <http://goo.gl/lgD4M>, especially on (1) embargoes, (2)

[GOAL] Re: G8 Science Ministers endorse open access

2013-06-16 Thread Stevan Harnad
Let's get this straight. The Finch Report and the G8 statement are in agreement insofar as the desirability of open access (OA) is concerned. But then all funder and institutional OA policies worldwide today agree on that. When it comes to how to go about mandating, monitoring and prov

[GOAL] Interview with Professor Martin Hall, Vice-Chancellor of the University of Salford, Manchester

2012-07-23 Thread Richard Poynder
Martin Hall was a member of the committee that published the controversial Finch Report on OA in the UK. Some excerpts: *** On green OA: "[I]t's important to recognize that there are a number of varieties of green OA . green means different things to different people; for som

[GOAL] Re: Finch on BIS on Learned Societies

2013-09-12 Thread Stevan Harnad
-- Forwarded message -- From: Friend, Fred Date: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM Subject: RE: Finch on BIS on Learned Societies To: "jisc-repositor...@jiscmail.ac.uk" , Yes, learned societies - at least those which behave responsibly - have nothing to fear from the BIS

[GOAL] Richard Poynder Interviews Stevan Harnad on RCUK OA Policy

2012-07-26 Thread Stevan Harnad
e recommendations in the controversial **Finch Report*<http://www.researchinfonet.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Finch-Group-report-FINAL-VERSION.pdf> * (published a month earlier), RCUK stressed that it continues to view both **gold OA* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access_journal&g

[GOAL] Finch Report - commentary

2012-06-20 Thread Marcin Wojnarski
Below is my comment posted originally on Cameron Neylon's blog <http://cameronneylon.net/blog/first-thoughts-on-the-finch-report-good-steps-but-missed-opportunities/#comment-562279021>. Can be of interest for GOAL. /On publicity front the Finch Report is a good news, as it restates

[GOAL] Re: Clarification of the new OA policy from the RCUK

2012-08-22 Thread Stevan Harnad
Many thanks to Peter Suber for this further information about Finch, RCUK, and the close relationship between them. Peter makes no value judgments in conveying this information, so it is unclear what he agrees or disagrees with. I will be much more explicit. I think this is a *terrible* policy

[GOAL] Re: Clarification of the new OA policy from the RCUK

2012-08-22 Thread Heather Morrison
at 5:53 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote: > Many thanks to Peter Suber for this further information about Finch, > RCUK, and the close relationship between them. > > Peter makes no value judgments in conveying this information, so it > is unclear what he agrees or disagrees with. > &g

[GOAL] Re: Where now for OA in the UK?

2013-11-27 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2013-11-27, at 12:47 PM, "Armbruster, Chris" wrote: > What puzzles me is that quite a number of OA veterans and advocates keep > moaning about the UK OA policy. In your case, Fred, I am intrigued by the > assertion that > "The Finch saga has done nothing to ch

[GOAL] The Finch Report and its implications for the developing world

2012-07-18 Thread Richard Poynder
The Electronic Publishing Trust for Development responds to the Finch Report. Extract: "It is difficult not to sound unprofessional and populist when describing the huge imbalance between the importance of sharing essential research and that of retaining the profits of the publi

[GOAL] Re: Where now for OA in the UK?

2013-11-27 Thread Armbruster, Chris
What puzzles me is that quite a number of OA veterans and advocates keep moaning about the UK OA policy. In your case, Fred, I am intrigued by the assertion that "The Finch saga has done nothing to change the IPR regime through which publishers control the infrastructure, nor is the pr

[GOAL] Finch Report - Finch inquiry’s open access tune won’t resonate in Australia the conversation

2012-06-24 Thread Colin Steele
The Conversation <http://theconversation.edu.au/> Finch inquiry’s open access tune won’t resonate in Australia Authors 1. <http://theconversation.edu.au/profiles/colin-steele-10401> Colin Steele <http://theconversation.edu.au/profiles/colin-steele-10401> Emeritus Fe

[GOAL] Re: [sparc-oaforum] RCUK Still Sleep-Walking on Open Access (Wake-Up Call)

2012-12-03 Thread Frederick Friend
cannot be blamed too much for the shambles, which is not of their making, but both the UK Government (for a hasty decision to go with paid gold OA) and the Finch Group (for making Recommendations based upon shaky “evidence”) must acknowledge their mistakes. Particularly revealing is the statement by

[GOAL] Finch Report, a Trojan Horse, Serves Publishing Industry Interests Instead of UK Research Interests

2012-06-19 Thread Stevan Harnad
** Cross-Posted ** 1. The Finch Report is a successful case of lobbying by publishers to protect the interests of publishing at the expense of the interests of research itself and the public that funds it: http://www.researchinfonet.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Finch-Group-report-FINAL

[GOAL] Re: Testing the Finch Hypothesis on Green OA Mandate Ineffectiveness

2012-10-28 Thread Stevan Harnad
OA annually, and mandated Green OA (70%+) is six times annual Gold OA. The only Green vs Gold insight I can discern in this is that universities and funders should mandate Green OA, now, instead of waiting for Gold OA -- or double-paying for Gold pre-emptively, as the Finch Report proposes doi

[GOAL] Re: Testing the Finch Hypothesis on Green OA Mandate Ineffectiveness

2012-10-28 Thread Stevan Harnad
ence-based, especially to counter the extensive negative effects of the >> publishing lobby, as most dramatically exerted very recently on the Finch >> Report and the resulting RCUK policy. >> >> Stevan Harnad >> >> From: Stevan Harnad >> To: jisc-repos

[GOAL] Re: G8 Science Ministers endorse open access

2013-06-17 Thread Tim Brody
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 16:15 -0400, Stevan Harnad wrote: [snip] > In backing down on Gold (good), Finch/RCUK, nevertheless failed to > provide any > monitoring mechanism for ensuring compliance with Green (bad). It only > monitors > how Gold money is spent. > > > Finch/

[GOAL] Finch on BIS on Learned Societies

2013-09-12 Thread Stevan Harnad
In response to the BIS Select Committee Report Dame Janet Finch<http://www.researchinfonet.org/finch-report-response-to-select-committe/> writes: *Dame Janet Finch:* *"There are some unfortunate gaps in the Select Committee’s consideration. In particular their comments on the publishi

[GOAL] Re: [sparc-oaforum] Re: Disruption vs. Protection

2013-09-17 Thread Stevan Harnad
&lr=&q=romeo+(colour+OR+color)++blogurl%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&safe=active&tbm=blg>, in which both green and blue mean green!) they indicate that the percentage of green publishers is 62%. The percentage of green journals is likely to be higher as most of the

[GOAL] Responses to Martin Hall on Finch on "Neither Green Nor Gold"

2013-02-13 Thread Stevan Harnad
Responses to Martin Hall on Finch on “Neither Green nor Gold<http://www.corporate.salford.ac.uk/leadership-management/martin-hall/blog/2013/02/neither-green-nor-gold/> ” 1. Stevan Harnad Says: February 11th, 2013 at 9.03 pm<http://www.corporate.salford.ac.uk/leadership-manageme

[GOAL] Interesting Gold initiative by Royal Society of Chemistry

2012-07-23 Thread CHARLES OPPENHEIM
government’s endorsement of the recommendations of the Working Group on Expanding Access to Published Research Findings, chaired by Dame Janet Finch, the former vice-chancellor of Keele University.The Finch group said that the UK should move towards making all publicly funded research freely available

[GOAL] Re: The UK Gold Rush: "A Hand-Out from the British Government"

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Hitchcock
The Jump THE article was revealing, as was the recent ACSS meeting on Implementing Finch, judging from the reports from the DisorderofThings blog (http://thedisorderofthings.com/2012/12/04/open-access-news-and-reflections-from-the-acss-conference/) and the presentations that are beginning to

[GOAL] Re: Where now for OA in the UK?

2013-11-28 Thread Friend, Fred
number of OA veterans and advocates keep moaning about the UK OA policy. In your case, Fred, I am intrigued by the assertion that "The Finch saga has done nothing to change the IPR regime through which publishers control the infrastructure, nor is the process leading to true competition whereby th

[GOAL] Re: Agreement on Green OA not needed from publishers but from institutions and funders

2012-06-20 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2012-06-20, at 10:22 AM, Sally Morris wrote: > I find it very sad that the response on this list has been to denigrate both > the Finch report's authors and publishers in general. It would seem that the > (relatively small number of) primary contributors to this list

[GOAL] Re: The UK Gold Rush: "A Hand-Out from the BritishGovernment"

2012-12-07 Thread Frederick Friend
My thanks to Steve for this very revealing post, which to my mind only confirms what a shambles the whole process has been since the formation of the Finch Group through to the swift announcement of the policy and the lack of attention to implementation. I am inclined to think that the whole

[GOAL] Fwd: A critique of the Finch Report

2012-06-20 Thread Stevan Harnad
-- Forwarded message -- From: Frederick Friend Date: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:27 PM Subject: A critique of the Finch Report To: jisc-repositor...@jiscmail.ac.uk *The Finch Report: a flawed and costly route to open access* The Finch Report on access to UK research publications

[GOAL] Re: Finch Report - commentary

2012-06-21 Thread Jan Velterop
Marcin Wojnarski has just added some comments to the PDF of the Finch Report (at 'executive summary' in the full version) via Utopia Documents. He asked me: "Why don't you send info to GOAL list about this possibility? I think many people might be interested, as it's

[GOAL] Re: The UK Gold Rush: "A Hand-Out from the British Government"

2012-12-06 Thread Frederick Friend
Stevan summarises the current situation on UK OA policy very well. It is surprising after almost six months of criticism of the Finch Report that there has been so little defence of the Finch/RCUK/BIS position and (to my knowledge) no response to the criticism voiced. Of all the parties

[GOAL] Adam Tickel on Finch Report, Green OA and Peer Review Costs in Times Higher Ed

2012-06-21 Thread Richard Poynder
oupling the two, leading to a drop in the amount of material requiring/meriting the full peer review and professional editing service." This suggests to me a scenario in which universities and research funders follow the Finch Committee's advice: opt for Gold OA and agree to pay to p

[GOAL] Re: Interview with Harvard's Stuart Shieber

2012-12-12 Thread Hans Pfeiffenberger
what do we anticipate this percentage becoming in a post-Finch world? perhaps this http://svpow.com/2012/12/10/what-does-it-cost-to-publish-a-gold-open-access-article/ might help for a start? If the numbers are correct, it shows a strong bias in the Finch report's numbers towards the a

[GOAL] Re: Testing the Finch Hypothesis on Green OA Mandate Ineffectiveness

2012-10-29 Thread Stevan Harnad
annual > Gold OA. > > The only Green vs Gold insight I can discern in this is that > universities and funders should mandate Green OA, now, instead of waiting > for Gold OA -- or double-paying for Gold pre-emptively, as the Finch Report > proposes doing (on the basis of the Finch Hy

[GOAL] Re: Where now for OA in the UK?

2013-11-28 Thread Armbruster, Chris
les me is that quite a number of OA veterans and advocates keep moaning about the UK OA policy. In your case, Fred, I am intrigued by the assertion that "The Finch saga has done nothing to change the IPR regime through which publishers control the infrastructure, nor is the process leading to true

[GOAL] Re: Where now for OA in the UK?

2013-11-28 Thread Stevan Harnad
evan Harnad : > > On 2013-11-27, at 12:47 PM, "Armbruster, Chris" > wrote: > > What puzzles me is that quite a number of OA veterans and advocates keep > moaning about the UK OA policy. In your case, Fred, I am intrigued by the > assertion that > "The Fin

[GOAL] Re: RCUK & EC Did Not Follow Finch/Willets

2012-07-22 Thread Stevan Harnad
ers have told me - I > have no direct knowledge and nor clearly has Professor Harnad - that > the decisions of the Finch committee were pre-determined. Members of > the committee I have spoken to do not confirm Professor Harnad's > statements. > > I find this statement fascina

[GOAL] Houghton & Swan (2012): Planting the green seeds for a golden harvest: Comments and clarifications on “Going for Gold”

2012-11-22 Thread Stevan Harnad
John Houghton and Alma Swan have published several important and influential economic analyses of the costs and benefits of Open Access (OA), Gold OA publishing and Green OA self-archiving worldwide and for the UK. The specific implications of their findings for the UK Finch Committee<h

[GOAL] Re: Dreadful Daily Mail article on Open Access

2012-06-18 Thread Stevan Harnad
http://m.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-2160753/Open-access-puts-UK-jobs-risk.html > > Charles > Professor Charles Oppenheim > Prepare for more press distortions when the Finch Report is released tomorrow. We won't be able to counter it if we all run off in all directions.

[GOAL] RCUK Still Sleep-Walking on Open Access (Wake-Up Call)

2012-12-03 Thread Stevan Harnad
K is increasingly confirming that it is sleep-walking ("Implementing Finch<http://www.acss.org.uk/docs/Open%20Access%20event%20Nov%202012/OAWorkshop.htm>" Academy of Social Sciences, 29-30 Nov 2012). All this talk about how to spend the Gold OA money, how much there is of it, how it is

[GOAL] Re: Where now for OA in the UK?

2013-11-28 Thread Bo-Christer Björk
moaning about the UK OA policy. In your case, Fred, I am intrigued by the assertion that "The Finch saga has done nothing to change the IPR regime through which publishers control the infrastructure, nor is the process leading to true competition whereby there would be a choice for use

[GOAL] Re: [SCHOLCOMM] The OA Interviews: Ian Gibson, former Chairman of the UK House of Commons Science & Technology Committee

2012-10-29 Thread Frederick Friend
ch my copies of the Committee Report and Evidence, and I was immediately reminded of the thorough, evidence-based investigation by the Committee. The 2004 documents ran to 114 pages for the Report and 479 pages of oral and written Evidence. Compare that with the measly 140 pages in the Finch R

[GOAL] Re: Finch Report - commentary

2012-06-21 Thread Marcin Wojnarski
y or have to restart the application? I use the older Linux version. Regards Marcin On 06/21/2012 06:44 PM, Jan Velterop wrote: Marcin Wojnarski has just added some comments to the PDF of the Finch Report (at 'executive summary' in the full version) via Utopia Documents. He asked me: &q

[GOAL] Re: Martin Hall's Defence of the UK Finch Committee Recommendations: Green or Gold? Open Access After Finch

2012-11-12 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2012-11-12, at 5:39 PM, Sandy Thatcher wrote: > If respositories take on the functions of managing peer review and providing > value-added > services like copyediting, then by definition they will become part of the > publishing industry, > just as university presses are. Institutional re

[GOAL] UK Business, Innovation and Skills Committee Publishes Government Response and RCUK response to its report on Open Access

2013-11-26 Thread Richard Poynder
where to publish, and whether they opt for the Gold or Green route to open access. The recent Finch group Review of Progress adopts the same position. Our Report considered such freedom of choice to be fundamental, and it is a positive development that there is consensus from the Government, the

[GOAL] Adam Tickel on Finch Report, Green OA and Peer Review Costs in Times Higher Ed

2012-06-20 Thread Stevan Harnad
These are comments on Paul Jump's article in today's Times Higher Ed., quoting Adam Tickel on the Finch Report, Green OA and Peer Review Costs http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=420326&c=1 THE COST OF PEER REVIEW: PRE-EMPTIVE GOLD VS.

[GOAL] Re: Interview with Professor Martin Hall, Vice-Chancellor of the University of Salford, Manchester

2012-07-27 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Richard Poynder wrote: > Martin Hall was a member of the committee that published the controversial > Finch Report on OA in the UK. > *TRAINS THAT PASS IN THE NIGHT* Martin Hall's Q&A reminds me of the (Dostoevsky?) novel in which two strange

[GOAL] BOAI-10: Interview with SPARC's Alma Swan

2012-09-13 Thread Richard Poynder
fall of the infamous Research Works Act (RWA). We have witnessed the so-called Academic Spring - which included a boycott by researchers of Elsevier, the world's largest subscription publisher. We have seen a US petition in favour of OA attract more than 25,000 signatures. And we have seen

[GOAL] Re: Further Finch Folly - Swets: "Let Us Manage the RCUK Gold For You!"

2013-07-17 Thread Stevan Harnad
can support this then that is not parasitic, it’s what > drives best practice and scales efficiency. Our service has been developed > independently of any philosophical arguments for or against gold/green open > access publishing, and after much dialogue with UK university libraries. &g

[GOAL] Finch Report Review

2013-11-18 Thread Friend, Fred
As a taxpayer I read the 74-page "Review of progress in implementing the recommendations of the Finch Report" with interest, looking for evidence that those who recommend policy to HM Government are making their recommendations in a logical fashion and on the basis of available eviden

[GOAL] The UK Gold Rush: "A Hand-Out from the British Government"

2012-12-05 Thread Stevan Harnad
*Re: *"Finch access plan unlikely to fly across the Atlantic<http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=422015&c=1> " (*Times Higher Education*, 6 December 2012) It's not just the US and the Social Sciences that will not join the UK

[GOAL] Tony Hey on Finch Report and RCUK’s Open Access Policy

2013-02-04 Thread Stevan Harnad
A Journey to Open Access – Part 4<http://tonyhey.net/2013/02/04/a-journey-to-open-access-part-4/> Tony Hey on eScience <http://tonyhey.net/> ...A major problem with the Finch and RCUK endorsements of gold OA as the preferred route to open access—and their explicit deprecation of gree

[GOAL] The OA Interviews: Peter Mandler

2018-12-11 Thread Richard Poynder
cles for HSS scholars to communicate their research. What is particularly frustrating for UK-based HSS scholars is that Plan S looks set to rip up the settlement that was reached in the wake of the 2012 Finch Report <https://www.acu.ac.uk/research-information-network/finch-report-final>

[GOAL] The UK OA Situation

2012-09-15 Thread Stevan Harnad
**Cross-Posted** Here are 12 recent writings on the new Finch/RCUK OA Policy recommendations in the UK. The latest has just appeared in D-Lib: Harnad, S (2012) United Kingdom's Open Access Policy Urgently Needs a Tweak<http://www.dlib.org/dlib/september12/harnad/09harnad.html> .* D-L

[GOAL] Fwd: OA event - Academy of Social Sciences/ SAGE

2012-11-16 Thread Stevan Harnad
If there was any residual doubt as to the degree to which the Finch policy recommendations are dominated by and oriented toward the needs of the publishing community and not the needs of the research community, here's an announcement from Sage publications... SH -- Forwarded me

[GOAL] Re: Where now for OA in the UK?

2013-11-29 Thread Armbruster, Chris
.soton.ac.uk>>: On 2013-11-27, at 12:47 PM, "Armbruster, Chris" mailto:chris.armbrus...@eui.eu>> wrote: What puzzles me is that quite a number of OA veterans and advocates keep moaning about the UK OA policy. In your case, Fred, I am intrigued by the assertion that "

[GOAL] Re: reducing volume of research publications

2012-06-21 Thread Van Noorden, Richard
research grant. Libraries would then keep an eye on how many papers were being published by which academics, and at what cost. Hence the line in my Nature article on the Finch report [http://www.nature.com/news/britain-aims-for-broad-open-access-1.10846]: "Whatever the solution, academics will b

[GOAL] Re: Finch Report - commentary

2012-06-22 Thread Jan Velterop
I use the older Linux version. > > Regards > Marcin > > > On 06/21/2012 06:44 PM, Jan Velterop wrote: >> >> Marcin Wojnarski has just added some comments to the PDF of the Finch Report >> (at 'executive summary' in the full version) via Utopia D

[GOAL] RCUK Continue to Mandate Green OA Despite Finch Report

2012-07-16 Thread Stevan Harnad
**Cross-Posted** Despite the recommendation of the Finch report and UK Science and Universities Minister David Willets to downgrade repository use to the storage and preservation of data, theses and unpublished work http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/15/free-access-british-scientific

[GOAL] My last post on the Cherubim/Seraphim issue (promise!)

2013-05-03 Thread Stevan Harnad
policy does, indeed, formally allow immediate, unembargoed OA, exactly as Springer policy does, and that the Elsevier hedging is empty and can be completely ignored. The real problem here is not Elsevier's double talk: It is the gratuitous boost that the credibility of Elsevier's hedging has re

[GOAL] Re: RCUK & EC Did Not Follow Finch/Willets

2012-07-31 Thread Stevan Harnad
P.S. Ari Belenkey, why are you posting this on the Finch/Willets thread? You are not posting about Finch Willets: You are airing 10-year old arguments against OA! You should be applauding Finch/Willets, since, if heeded, they will have set OA back by yet another decade... On 2012-07-31, at 1:02

[GOAL] Re: Fwd: OA event - Academy of Social Sciences/ SAGE

2012-11-16 Thread Laurent Romary
With the sponsoring I see for this event, my euphemistic feelings is that there seems to be strong conflicts of interest for the scholar on the program. Interesting. Laurent Le 16 nov. 2012 à 18:04, Stevan Harnad a écrit : > > If there was any residual doubt as to the degree to which the

[GOAL] Alert: Some coordinated action from the Big Publishing Lobby in the UK & Netherlands

2013-11-16 Thread Stevan Harnad
Finch II has obviously timed its press release Monday to coincide with a similar one from the other home-base of Reed-Elsevier, the Netherlands: Here are some quick Google Translation excerpts from just-released the Dutch Gold OA Manifesto, clearly timed to coincide with Finch II's reaffirm

[GOAL] Eight Questions and an Answer for RCUK/Finch at Imperial College 27 September

2012-09-21 Thread Stevan Harnad
D possibility, or (b) they were indeed trying to push authors (and publishers!) toward the GOLD option in both choices: the between-journal choice of GOLD versus GREEN journal and the within-journal choice of the GOLD versus GREEN option -- possibly because of Gold Fever <http://bit.ly/goldfev&

[GOAL] Re: reducing volume of research publications

2012-06-21 Thread Stevan Harnad
Liege-style) and all the other problems (including publication quality, thanks to OA metrics) will take care of themselves. Keep fussing instead about ancillary theoretical issues and we face yet another decade of needless, costly access-denial. But the Finch Report seems to have brought all the old forms

[GOAL] Re: Alert: Some coordinated action from the Big Publishing Lobby in the UK & Netherlands

2013-11-16 Thread Bosman, J.M.
n the perceived broad acceptance of Finch I in UK. No reactions yet from Universities Association (VSNU) or from NWO (the Dutch RCUK). I do worry that House education committee members will have little grasp of OA debate details. Volkskrant article: http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2672/Weten

[GOAL] Re: Alert: Some coordinated action from the Big Publishing Lobby in the UK & Netherlands

2013-11-16 Thread Bosman, J.M.
; jisc-repositories Subject: [GOAL] Alert: Some coordinated action from the Big Publishing Lobby in the UK & Netherlands Finch II has obviously timed its press release Monday to coincide with a similar one from the other home-base of Reed-Elsevier, the Netherlands: Here are some quick Go

{Disarmed} [GOAL] {Disarmed} Re: The UK OA Situation

2012-09-15 Thread Stevan Harnad
ld be useful > Yes, a petition is planned, but we are still hoping that RCUK will announce that they have fixed the policy, making a petition unnecessary. Stevan > > > On 15/09/2012 14:29, "Stevan Harnad" wrote: > > **Cross-Posted** > > > Here are 1

[GOAL] Counterattack: Hands Off Freedoms, Hands On Keyboards

2013-01-28 Thread Stevan Harnad
ter-over-academic-freedom> > (Guardian Observer, & Telegraph, January 26) But they are absolutely wrong that the fault lies with Open Access (OA), or with mandating OA. The fault lies entirely with the *way* the UK government -- RCUK, under the influence of the foolish and ill-informed rec

[GOAL] Re: Dutch Echoes of Finch

2014-03-05 Thread Gerritsma, Wouter
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/01/30/paying-twice-or-paying-thrice-brienza/ Wouter From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad Sent: woensdag 5 maart 2014 14:20 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Dutch Echoes of

[GOAL] Re: Elsevier Still Onside of Angels on Immediate, Unembargoed Green OA Self-Archiving By Its Authors

2013-05-02 Thread Stevan Harnad
ge mandate, the strongest, has a deposit rate of over 80%. The Liege model -- immediate-deposit (ID/OA) designated the mechanism for submitting publications for performance review -- is now being adopted more and more, with UK's HEFCE/REF proposing it also for funder mandates. Best wish

[GOAL] Not All That Glitters

2013-11-06 Thread Stevan Harnad
commendation to mandate Green but not Gold. 11. It is through the Green course set by the 2004 Select Committee<http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmselect/cmsctech/399/39903.htm> that the UK had been leading the world toward OA till 2012, when the Finch Committee<http:/

[GOAL] Re: Some discussion points for the UK OA initiative

2012-05-08 Thread Steve Hitchcock
> [Keith Jeffery] (lack of) reciprocity is a fear among some in UK. I detect > that we have lost the Green is better than Gold argument in UK, not least > because the powerful biomedical community stampeded into Gold (but let us see > what the Finch committee comes up with). We

[GOAL] Re: Some discussion points for the UK OA initiative

2012-05-08 Thread Steve Hitchcock
> [Keith Jeffery] (lack of) reciprocity is a fear among some in UK. I detect > that we have lost the Green is better than Gold argument in UK, not least > because the powerful biomedical community stampeded into Gold (but let us see > what the Finch committee comes up with). We

[GOAL] Is scholarly publishing going from crisis to crisis?

2013-03-27 Thread Stephen Pinfield
://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/75285/. "In an open access world, will journal subscription inflation simply be replaced by APC inflation? The UK's Finch Report (2012) and subsequent changes to the Research Councils UK's policy on open access (OA) are likely to have far-reaching effects in the UK and beyond.

[GOAL] Re: UK and Paid vs Free Gold OA Journals

2013-12-02 Thread Graham Triggs
On 1 December 2013 02:35, Stevan Harnad wrote: > Because thanks in part to Finch/RCUK's folly and profligacy, many (perhaps > even most) of the subscription journals that UK authors publish in have > lately and happily offered hybrid Gold to UK authors in the hope of cashing &g

[GOAL] Apology to Richard van Noorden

2012-06-21 Thread Stevan Harnad
imple, tried, tested, and proven effective, > and it's been staring us in the face for at least a decade: > Mandate Green Open Access (effectively: ID/OA, > Liege-style) and all the other problems (including publication > quality, thanks to OA metrics) will take care of themselve

[GOAL] Re: Apology to Richard van Noorden

2012-06-21 Thread Van Noorden, Richard
ding publication > quality, thanks to OA metrics) will take care of themselves. > > Keep fussing instead about ancillary theoretical issues and we > face yet another decade of needless, costly access-denial. > > But the Finch Report seems to have brought all the old > forms of

[GOAL] Re: Is Green Open Access in the process of fading away?

2013-06-17 Thread Stevan Harnad
Both the perverse effects of the UK's Finch/RCUK policy<http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&q=harnad%20OR%20Harnad%20OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&ie=UTF-8&tbm=blg&tbs=qdr:m&num=100&c2coff=1&safe=active#q=finch+blogurl:http://o

[GOAL] Re: Alert: Some coordinated action from the Big Publishing Lobby in the UK & Netherlands

2013-11-16 Thread Stevan Harnad
se-L Discussion Forum; jisc-repositories > *Subject:* [GOAL] Alert: Some coordinated action from the Big Publishing > Lobby in the UK & Netherlands > > > > Finch II has obviously timed its press release Monday to coincide with a > similar one from the other home-base of R

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