Even though recast as a nationalist (whatever that is supposed to
mean) these days, F.L. Gomes was delightfully ambivalent over his
Indian and European traditions. This has been adeptly pointed out by
Dr Nishtha Desai points out in her interesting paper:
fredericknoro...@gmail.comfredericknoro...@gmail.com :
Oh, you guys are just creating straw men of people you don't like, and
then attacking them. That's super easy, and doesn't need an intellect
as powerful as yours to do.
Thanks for the left handed compliment and the explanation of 'straw
2009/11/23 Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com:
Dear Tony,
Permit me to indulge in one of those practices which we Goanetters are
prone to -- catching the debate by its tail, and taking it on quite
another road!
And didn't Augusto throw the first flame bait? Even
the good Bahamas located Doctor
Augusto Pinto stated the following: In the Luis - Selma imbroglio it
looks like we have a goanet thread here that SEEKS to rival the Dotor
Santosh - Padri Ivo one in terms of longevity and boringness.
(BTW who won that battle, the Dotor - Padri one I mean ? yyy
hhh yawn ... AS IF I
Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com:
Augusto Pinto does not like science. I suspect he too believes it is a
capitalist, racist and casteist conspiracy against the proletariate. But he
has his pet obsessions, which, unfortunately, do not get aired as much on
Goanet nowadays.
Augusto Pinto's pet
Oh, you guys are just creating straw men of people you don't like, and
then attacking them. That's super easy, and doesn't need an intellect
as powerful as yours to do.
QUOTE A straw man is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is
presented in order to divert attention from the original issue.
Frederick Noronha wrote: Oh, you guys are just creating straw men of
people you don't like, and then attacking them. That's super easy, and
doesn't need an intellect as powerful as yours to do.
If you don't like something Augusto (or anyone else) says, please tell
us why it is illogical, present
Considering the fact that Saint Frederick
[http://www.premontre.org/subpages/sanctibeati/safred.htm] was born
in the 12th century, it is highly improbable that he had access to
email.
Given the level of how parochial our Goanet can get, it is equally
unlikely that someone born in Hallum in
Frederick Noronha wrote
Considering the fact that Saint Frederick . When JC enters the
discussion, it's time to say, I'm outta here! --FN
RESPONSE:
Nice duck, FN .Nice.
jc
--
J. Colaco jc had written earlier:
Dear Saint Frederick,
Would you please advise us who exactly
Frederick Noronha wrote
Considering the fact that Saint Frederick . When JC enters the
discussion, it's time to say, I'm outta here! --FN
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:28:52 -0500
From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com
Nice duck, FN .Nice.
Mario observes:
Duck? Does a duck have a
--- On Sun, 11/22/09, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:
When JC enters the discussion, it's time to say, I'm outta
here! --FN
Noronha does not practice what he preaches. Please note above that he exempts
himself from abiding by the following quote, which is a statement he
Thank you Tony de Sa for reminding me about the book '' Os bramanes '' by
Francisco
Luis Gomes.
Francisco Luis of Navelim was elected a deputy to represent Goa in Portugal
Parliament. In his maiden speech in Parliament, I believe, he threatened
fellow
Portuguese deputies with a statement that
Mario,
As you know, people respond on Goanet to express their likes and dislikes.
Augusto Pinto does not like science. I suspect he too believes it is a
capitalist, racist and casteist conspiracy against the proletariate. But he has
his pet obsessions, which, unfortunately, do not get aired as
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:08:10 +0530
From: augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com
In the Luis - Selma imbroglio it looks like we have a goanet thread here
that seeks to rival the Dotor Santosh - Padri Ivo one in terms of longevity
and boringness. (BTW who won that battle, the Dotor - Padri one I mean
...@goanet.orghttp://in.mc940.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=se...@goanet.org,
Carvalho
elisabeth_...@yahoo.comhttp://in.mc940.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=elisabeth_...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan veterans
Message-ID:
172308.38410...@web32102.mail.mud.yahoo.comhttp://in.mc940.mail.yahoo.com/mc
Dear Mr Luis,
My apology would have been a lot more sincere if your tone had not been so
accusatory. Rest assured your family is not included in anything I am writing.
I am sorry I mentioned the suspension. Yes, I agree that this was irrelevant to
the discussion at hand. I'm sure you will agree
Dear Dr Dias,
I do not want to engage in a public mudslinging match. That is not doing any
good to either of our reputations. This is my last post on the matter so let me
quickly make my points.
1. You burst onto Goanet and use words such as slander and libel. To slander is
to lie, perpetuate
Dear Selma,
I never ever wanted to engage in any sort of match as you so quaintly put it.
This was triggered by your remark on a public forum, saying that my grandfather
was considered to be a pro-Nazi in Goa.
I felt compelled to respond. So please don't you dare lecture me on how best to
Dear Dr Luis,
I will certainly keep to my word and send you the documents you have requested.
I will send you scanned copies via email. Just give me a few days to get to it
and do remind me if I forget.
Best,
selma
--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Luis Dias diasfl...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Luis Dias
This message is directed at Selma Carvalho. This email thread was brought to my
notice this morning from the USA.
In the message attached below Selma Carvalho says that she can confirm that
the Goan who was considered pro-Nazi was Dr Victor Dias, who just happens to
be my grandfather.
I
--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Luis Dias diasfl...@yahoo.com wrote:
In the absence of objective proof, she cannot make such a
libellous remark. If she has such objective proof, she
should furnish it.
Best wishes,
Dr Luis Dias
-
Dear Dr Luis,
I'm sorry to have
in its archiving of material and
documents?
If so, how can a fair accounting of historical events be possible?
Thanks.
I. Nunes
--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan veterans
To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere
forward to your response.
Best wishes,
Luis
Dr Luis Dias
Casa da Moeda
Near Head Post Office
Panaji-Goa 403001
INDIA
2224642
9011051950
Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:55:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Luis Dias diasfl...@yahoo.com
To: goa...@goanet.org
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan veterans
Hi Gabriel,
I completely agree with what U have produced. Those are the facts; I knew them
even before the SBS telecast, after reading somewhere. What I have written is a
simplfied version of the cause of the War becoming a World War, as opposed to
Frederick's version. Hence, U have not
This is being re-sent as only one line was reproduced today (11/16)
Goan Veterans
Sun, November 15, 2009 11:07:11 AM
From: Jean Marcos Catao cata...@yahoo.com View Contact
To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org
From: MARCOS GOMES
From: MARCOS GOMES CATAO cataojm @yahoo,com
Just two clarifications/corrections on two itmes mentioned on above subject
Nasci Caldeira said the graves listed by the War Graves Commission could not be
of Portuguese or Brazilians because Portugal wasneutral and Brazil did not join
the war. The
3:07:11 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Goan Veterans
From: MARCOS GOMES CATAO cataojm @yahoo,com
...
The British played a big role in the development of the railway in Brazil
...
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Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment
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To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 12:55:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan veterans
The second World war was an outcome of German actions of invading and
conquering the nations around them; to form an United Europe under his
track it down, more for reasons
that it was purchased for me by Jorge Abreu-Noronha, years ago.
Gabriel.
- Original Message
From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 1:51:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan veterans
Alfredo's article makes
Let me be the arbitrator in this instance :-))
Amitav Ghosh is a historical novel known for his intensive research when he
writes a novel. Ofcourse it is still fiction but only the characters are
fictional set against a fairly accurate historical background, very similar to
say the English
- Original Message -
From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan veterans
Interestingly, there were Goans studying ophthalmology and other
Frederick makes a valid point. It was the expansionism of Germany which was
the main cause of WWII. Germany under Hitler invaded Poland, Austria,
Denmark,Norway, Netherlands, Belgium,part of France,eastern Europe and were
on the borders of Russia. Japan joined hands with Germany and invaded China,
: Valmiki Faleiro valmi...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan veterans
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 8:13 AM
Dear FN and Selma,
Surprised no Goanetter threw more light on Selma's initial
comments
on this thread
Valmiki Faleiro valmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Surprised no Goanetter threw more light on Selma's initial comments on
this thread.
the book titled The Boarding Party. The book was converted into a
film called the Sea Wolves -- partly filmed in Goa -- less than 30
years ago.
All this is rather
Santosh!
Could not be more perfectly said, or argued.
I feel that sometimes that FN just lets go of the 'unresolved controversies' in
his mind to provoke people and get their perspective on matters that count.
The second World war was an outcome of German actions of invading and
conquering the
May be most Goans who died during WW2 were tarvotis who served in British
cargo ships
which carried war supplies from Bombay to Aden on its way via Red Sea to
Europe. In other
words most casualties could have occurred in the Arabian Sea. According to
tales told by
good old tarvotis the
2009/11/14 Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com
I can confirm from my own research the British counsel, who
incidentally lived a few minutes walk from the German Counsel's house,
Now, now, Val, don't make me share any more. You HAVE to buy the...
===
Dear Selma,
When you do get close to
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not believe World War II was our war, despite all the rhetoric
about the fight against Nazism and what not. It still seems to me to
be a ruthless scramble for colonies between a Britain that had an unfair
share
--- On Sat, 11/14/09, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote:
My dear Valmiki,
Selma would do well by trying to get hold of this book.
Paulo
Colaco-Dias (even though, I know he is busy with academics
+ work)
might be able to guide Selma, IF the book is not
locatable.
--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote:
Frederick makes a valid point.
This is incredible! Does it require a special alliance of minds or an
identification with a certain shared ideology to believe what Frederick Noronha
claimed and what has been written in the
Dear FN,
A very good question.I too am now wondering if any Goans did fight for
the Axis powers. Would someone enlighten us.
Regards,
Mike
They say, whether elphants fight or make love, the grass beneath gets
trampled. Goans were like the grass, I think, trying to make the best
deal of whichever side of a global conflict (they probably didn't
understand) they got caught on.
In Yvonne Vaz-Ezdani's book, most of the contributors
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not believe World War II was our war, despite all
the rhetoric about the fight against Nazism and what not. It still
seems to me to be a ruthless scramble for colonies between a Britain that
had an unfair share at
--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Michael Ali mikeal...@aol.com wrote:
A very good question.I too am now wondering if any
Goans did fight for the Axis powers. Would someone enlighten
us.
Regards,
Mike
-
Hi Mike,
I'm not sure if any Goan served on
Ok, Folks.
My fore-fathers moved to what is now Tanzania before the USA celebrated its
100th birthday.
Tanganyika was then ruled by the Germans.
When a German gentleman came to your business and requested you to 'support'
the German war effort, the answer you gave was, Yes, Sir, in any way
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Frederick Noronha
fredericknoro...@gmail.comhttp://in.mc940.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fredericknoro...@gmail.com
wrote:
I do not believe World War II was our war, despite all
the rhetoric about the fight against Nazism and what not. It still
seems to me to be a
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com wrote:
I think that what FN is saying is not so far fetched unless one wishes to
view the world in black and white terms as Santosh wishes
to do. I'd recommend Amitav Ghosh's novel 'The Glass Palace' for a
very nuanced reading of the
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