Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Galron, Joseph Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 12:13:04 AM To: Rachel Simon <rsi...@princeton.edu> Subject: RE: Arab name
רחל אני הייתי הולך בעקבות הספרייה הלאומית בירושלים ראי בקישורית הבאה http://uli.nli.org.il/F/Y6H37US26696JGUARY9TT4767DTBAA7FBNCQ3M216RBVRY3378-08241?func=full-set-set&set_number=000355&set_entry=000001&format=001 הצורה הלטינית שבחרו Khalefa, Ali וזאת על סמך: On verso of title page: Kheffiyeh among yarmulkes / Ali Khalefa עם רמיזות מ: Khalefa, Ali Saleh Khalifah, 'Ali Salih והייתי מוסיף על כך גם: Halifah, Ali (עם כל הנקודות הדרושות) ראי גם: https://viaf.org/viaf/3161693955115932328 From: Rachel Simon Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 3:46 PM To: Galron, Joseph <galro...@osu.edu> Subject: RE: Arab name Drive safely! Rachel From: Galron, Joseph <galro...@osu.edu<mailto:galro...@osu.edu>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 2:40 PM To: Rachel Simon <rsi...@princeton.edu<mailto:rsi...@princeton.edu>> Subject: Re: Arab name Drive safely! Rachel From: Galron, Joseph <galro...@osu.edu<mailto:galro...@osu.edu>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 2:40 PM To: Rachel Simon <rsi...@princeton.edu<mailto:rsi...@princeton.edu>> Subject: Re: Arab name אכתוב לך כשאגיע הביתה. Get Outlook for Android<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Faka.ms*2Fghei36&data=05*7C01*7Crsimon*40princeton.edu*7Cb78e2a0e7252485ef30408da6fff606f*7C2ff601167431425db5af077d7791bda4*7C0*7C0*7C637945439884458683*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=0bQbv97SLYazjb*2BRyKNgNIJ0W7CcpWbTcAkRg2UFekA*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!2H_YexGensB_7IPl0QuIGz4JSmTQv0plAyNWCitZwpB23q_WOVd2XN0mPBc2CFoW_qwRyP-yE-EnYAnb0Mc$> ________________________________ From: Rachel Simon <rsi...@princeton.edu<mailto:rsi...@princeton.edu>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 1:55:39 PM To: Galron, Joseph <galro...@osu.edu<mailto:galro...@osu.edu>> Subject: FW: Arab name יוסי מה הוא אומר??? אין לי כתובת של המחבר. לעשות לפי כללי העברית? בדקתי איך מעשה לאנטטון שמאס וסייד קשוע: לפי העברית (ובפרסומיהם הראשונים אין ערבית). כעת פחות חם!!! רחל From: Shinohara, Jasmin <jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu<mailto:jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu>> יוסי מה הוא אומר??? אין לי כתובת של המחבר. לעשות לפי כללי העברית? בדקתי איך מעשה לאנטטון שמאס וסייד קשוע: לפי העברית (ובפרסומיהם הראשונים אין ערבית). כעת פחות חם!!! רחל From: Shinohara, Jasmin <jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu<mailto:jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 1:37 PM To: Rachel Simon <rsi...@princeton.edu<mailto:rsi...@princeton.edu>>; Miller, Caroline <crmil...@library.ucla.edu<mailto:crmil...@library.ucla.edu>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>; ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu> Subject: RE: Arab name In a case like this, I’d be tempted to reach out to the author to ask his preferred form. That would trump all other considerations. From: Rachel Simon <rsi...@princeton.edu<mailto:rsi...@princeton.edu>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 1:27 PM To: Shinohara, Jasmin <jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu<mailto:jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu>>; Miller, Caroline <crmil...@library.ucla.edu<mailto:crmil...@library.ucla.edu>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>; ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu> Subject: RE: Arab name He wrote the book in Hebrew, and it is his first publication. So, which rules should apply? Rachel From: Shinohara, Jasmin <jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu<mailto:jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 1:06 PM To: Miller, Caroline <crmil...@library.ucla.edu<mailto:crmil...@library.ucla.edu>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>; Rachel Simon <rsi...@princeton.edu<mailto:rsi...@princeton.edu>>; ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu> Subject: RE: Arab name Hi, all! Caroline, that is a good supposition, and I used to think the same, until Heidi informed me that Arabic names play by their own rules, not our Hebraica name rules. Rachel, I’m afraid I don’t have a specific citation for you, but I’d refer you to the Arabic NACO Manual, https://library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/cp20/aranatoc.html<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fnam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com*2F*3Furl*3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2Flibrary.princeton.edu*2Fdepartments*2Ftsd*2Fkatmandu*2Fcp20*2Faranatoc.html__*3B!!IBzWLUs!Tx8j3jSN-f3ZJrEILIaGxegz0KTft38_gqDGTrMH5zEdeeNrrQe5kfSXtdGI5l6ldEjsLVYdrl4yrTolBUPDbG4l*24*26data*3D05*7C01*7Crsimon*40princeton.edu*7Cf2d10ac138f24a6589ac08da6ff69c0c*7C2ff601167431425db5af077d7791bda4*7C0*7C0*7C637945402224990892*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C*26sdata*3D0zyJUFVcHU4ZeU1wzo473eEP2A78Ij9um6mDSxpRt00*3D*26reserved*3D0__*3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zVBxA1o_F15Rzje5gr381XawS_rYQ7nojrhu1KB8HD2B8GVvomcUsl2QKX6XNKDl5mFHfy-U9D0RLfPbU7A*24&data=05*7C01*7Crsimon*40princeton.edu*7Cb78e2a0e7252485ef30408da6fff606f*7C2ff601167431425db5af077d7791bda4*7C0*7C0*7C637945439884458683*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=dY58v690NzOXSRN7Hng4gRh6osCXLvhSRVUwf2C1IAA*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUqKioqKioqKioqKioqKiUlKioqKioqKioqKioqKioqJSUqJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!2H_YexGensB_7IPl0QuIGz4JSmTQv0plAyNWCitZwpB23q_WOVd2XN0mPBc2CFoW_qwRyP-yE-EnLsF7knQ$> . Heidi, do you have any added pointers? Thanks, Jasmin From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> On Behalf Of Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 11:54 AM To: Rachel Simon <rsi...@princeton.edu<mailto:rsi...@princeton.edu>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Arab name I’ll take a stab at this. Per LC-PCC PS for 9.2.2.5.3, alternative, point 1 you need to use the Romanized form of name that appears on the piece, with all the appropriate 400’s. Caroline I’ll take a stab at this. Per LC-PCC PS for 9.2.2.5.3, alternative, point 1 you need to use the Romanized form of name that appears on the piece, with all the appropriate 400’s. Caroline Caroline R. Miller Team Leader, Discovery Team UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services 2400 Life Sciences Building 621 Charles E Young Drive South Box 957230 Los Angeles, CA 90095-7230 My pronouns are she/her/hers From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+crmiller=library.ucla....@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-bounces+crmiller=library.ucla....@lists.osu.edu>> On Behalf Of Rachel Simon via Heb-naco Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 7:20 AM To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> Subject: [Heb-NACO] Arab name What should be the authorized form of the name of an Arab writing in Hebrew, when the cover also has the name in Arabic? This related to the book by עלי ח'ליפה . Should the Hebrew form be Romanized as Ḥ'alifah, ʻAli ? What should be the authorized form of the name of an Arab writing in Hebrew, when the cover also has the name in Arabic? This related to the book by עלי ח'ליפה . Should the Hebrew form be Romanized as Ḥ'alifah, ʻAli ? The Arabic would be Khalīfah, ʻAlī Ṣāliḥ There is also a Romanized form of the name: Ali Khalefa. Thanks, Rachel
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