Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-20 Thread Roberta Maglione (robmgl)
? Thanks Roberta From: Athanasios Douitsis [mailto:aduit...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:50 AM To: Bernie Volz (volz) Cc: Jouni Korhonen; rad...@ietf.org; homenet@ietf.org; Roberta Maglione (robmgl); dh...@ietf.org WG; Michael Richardson Subject: Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-20 Thread Michael Richardson
Roberta Maglione (robmgl) rob...@cisco.com wrote: The reason why I think a new radius would be required is because you need to differentiate between the scenario where Framed-IPv6-Prefix is used to number the Wan link with a separate prefix (not included in the PD - without the

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-19 Thread Athanasios Douitsis
(i.e. have a configuration option to use the Framed-IPv6-Prefix value in the prefix exclude option instead of an RA) Correction, the above is incorrect, as has been rightly pointed. Are there any cases where the Framed-IPv6-Prefix value will not be copied as-is in the OPTION_PD_EXCLUDE value?

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-19 Thread Athanasios Douitsis
Hello (thanks for the answer), The uplink connection between the delegating and the requesting router will be in many cases enumerated with a prefix dictated by the Framed-IPv6-Prefix value. If this uplink prefix is going to be a part of the greater prefix that will be delegated, we would in

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-19 Thread Jouni Korhonen
Just a general reminder. If you crosspost, make sure you also have subscribed to the lists you CC. - Jouni (RADEXT co-chair) On Nov 19, 2013, at 2:07 PM, Bernie Volz (volz) v...@cisco.com wrote: Why would it ever be copied into that option? That makes no sense to me. - Bernie (from iPad)

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-19 Thread Wuyts Carl
; homenet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dhcwg] [homenet] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation Hello (thanks for the answer), The uplink connection between the delegating and the requesting router will be in many cases enumerated with a prefix dictated by the Framed-IPv6-Prefix value. If this uplink prefix

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-19 Thread Bernie Volz (volz)
: Re: [dhcwg] [homenet] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation Hello (thanks for the answer), The uplink connection between the delegating and the requesting router will be in many cases enumerated with a prefix dictated by the Framed-IPv6-Prefix value. If this uplink prefix is going to be a part

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-19 Thread Athanasios Douitsis
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Bernie Volz (volz) v...@cisco.com wrote: I guess from RFC 4818, Delegated-IPv6-Prefix is used for PD. Whereas it says: The Framed-IPv6-Prefix attribute [4] is not designed to support delegation of IPv6 prefixes to be used in the user's network, and

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-19 Thread Wuyts Carl
; Michael Richardson; dh...@ietf.org WG; homenet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [dhcwg] [homenet] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation Hello Carl, I agree with you that using DHCPv6 to number the WAN is a more common approach. In such case you don't really need PD exclude; you just need a single IPv6 address

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-19 Thread Athanasios Douitsis
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Roberta Maglione (robmgl) rob...@cisco.com wrote: Perhaps if the case is as in your example (Framed-IPv6-Prefix is contained by Delegated-IPv6-Prefix, but not equal) then using the Framed-IPv6-Prefix for OPTION_PD_EXCLUDE makes some sense? Maybe it could

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-19 Thread Athanasios Douitsis
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Jouni Korhonen jouni.nos...@gmail.comwrote: 3GPP system uses these in the above manner i.e. Framed-IPv6-Prefix - what you put into RA, Delegated-IPv6-Prefix - what you delegate via DHCPv6. And in this case what was in Framed-IPv6-Prefix goes into

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-15 Thread Roberta Maglione
Hello Michael, in DSL/Broadband environment usually the BNAS/BNG acts both as RADIUS Client and as DHCPv6 Server. In case of an IPv6 PPP session (or a PPP dual stack IPv4/IPv6 session) the PPP session is established using LCP that is independent of the network layer protocol that needs to be

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-15 Thread Michael Richardson
Thank you for the write up. It's clear that there is a gap, which TR-187 has filled. http://www.broadband-forum.org/technical/download/TR-187_Issue-2.pdf RFC4241 is Informational... why didn't TR-187 come to the IETF to standardize 4241? (Will TR-187 get re-issued with the reference to

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-15 Thread Wuyts Carl
...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation Thank you for the write up. It's clear that there is a gap, which TR-187 has filled. http://www.broadband-forum.org/technical/download/TR-187_Issue-2.pdf RFC4241 is Informational... why didn't TR-187 come

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-15 Thread Roberta Maglione
Please see comments inline [RM]. Regards, Roberta On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Michael Richardson mcr+i...@sandelman.cawrote: Thank you for the write up. It's clear that there is a gap, which TR-187 has filled. http://www.broadband-forum.org/technical/download/TR-187_Issue-2.pdf

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-15 Thread Roberta Maglione
To: Roberta Maglione Cc: dh...@ietf.org WG; homenet@ietf.org; rob...@cisco.com; rad...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation Thank you for the write up. It's clear that there is a gap, which TR-187 has filled. http://www.broadband-forum.org/technical

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-15 Thread Michael Richardson
Wuyts Carl carl.wu...@technicolor.com wrote: 4. the statement Further, if the WAN link is numbered as a /64 from within the prefix that (will be) delegated, that also would seem to make the CPE's firewall even more complex, so I'd rather number it outside the PD if it needs

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-15 Thread Michael Richardson
Roberta Maglione robmgl.i...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for the write up. It's clear that there is a gap, which TR-187 has filled.      http://www.broadband-forum.org/technical/download/TR-187_Issue-2.pdf RFC4241 is Informational... why didn't TR-187 come to the IETF to

Re: [homenet] [dhcwg] PPP, DHCPv6 and Prefix Delegation

2013-11-15 Thread Athanasios Douitsis
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Roberta Maglione robmgl.i...@gmail.comwrote: More recently RFC 6603 about Prefix exclude was published so today you could theoretically do that if you use prefix exclude option, but I'm not sure how much this model has been adopted. It is referenced in