Re: [homenet] standard way of configuring homenets

2018-07-24 Thread Tim Chown
On 25 Jul 2018, at 04:13, Ted Lemon mailto:mel...@fugue.com>> wrote: Well, the charter certainly says that we're supposed to think about homenet's impact on manageability. Granted, that's a thin reed to hang on, and it would probably be better to make the charter more explicit. But to be

Re: [homenet] standard way of configuring homenets

2018-07-24 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 25/07/2018 14:59, STARK, BARBARA H wrote: > Since homenet is supposed to be about an unmanaged network, > and configuration via a management protocol requires somebody who knows what > they’re doing, Traditionally, yes, but we do actually want to get away from that. (It's our explicit goal

Re: [homenet] standard way of configuring homenets

2018-07-24 Thread Ted Lemon
Well, the charter certainly says that we're supposed to think about homenet's impact on manageability. Granted, that's a thin reed to hang on, and it would probably be better to make the charter more explicit. But to be clear here, all home networks have user interfaces, and this is all we are

Re: [homenet] standard way of configuring homenets

2018-07-24 Thread STARK, BARBARA H
Since homenet is supposed to be about an unmanaged network, and configuration via a management protocol requires somebody who knows what they’re doing, it doesn’t fall within my interpretation of the charter. Barbara From: homenet On Behalf Of Ted Lemon Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 5:57 PM

Re: [homenet] standard way of configuring homenets

2018-07-24 Thread Ted Lemon
I don't think using HNCP in that particular way is a great plan, but I'm willing to be convinced. I would hope that this is in charter. On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > I very much like the idea of having a standard way to configure homenets. > There is the

[homenet] standard way of configuring homenets

2018-07-24 Thread Michael Richardson
I very much like the idea of having a standard way to configure homenets. There is the YANG/NETCONF method, and I think that we should go in that direction. A thought I had though could a HOMENET configuration be recorded by capturing just HNCP traffic? Could a network configuration be

Re: [homenet] after the meeting comments on draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation-07

2018-07-24 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Denis, Thanks for the feed back! The big read arrow symbolized the synchronization between the zone hosted on your HNA and the DNS Public server on the outsourcing infrastructure. This could be your ISP or any third party. One of the motivation to outsource was to prevent DDoS attack on the

Re: [homenet] after the meeting comments on draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation-07

2018-07-24 Thread Ted Lemon
My personal feeling on this is that the off-site backup zone is a service that could be provided by an ISP, could be provided by someone else, or could just be something that a sufficiently geeky user sets up for themself. If an ISP connection is as flaky as you describe, I would think that they

[homenet] after the meeting comments on draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation-07

2018-07-24 Thread Denis Ovsienko
Hello group. What I was trying to say at the WG meeting was the following. Looking at the slide with the red arrow between a DNS server in the home network and a DNS server somewhere on the Internet, the following scenario immediately came to my mind. 1. A home network is connected to the

[homenet] homenet 102 minutes

2018-07-24 Thread STARK, BARBARA H
Hi homenet, Draft minutes have been posted. Thx to Phill Hallam-Baker for taking them. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/minutes-102-homenet-01.html Please let us know if you think they need changes. Barbara and Stephen ___ homenet

Re: [homenet] (no subject)

2018-07-24 Thread Ted Lemon
You said that having state in the homenet makes it brittle. That implies that you think a stateless homenet will be less brittle, no? On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 4:34 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > Juliusz is saying that he wants a nearly stateless homenet; > > No, I'm not. > > > for him,

Re: [homenet] (no subject)

2018-07-24 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> Juliusz is saying that he wants a nearly stateless homenet; No, I'm not. > for him, putting the public/primary functional block in the cloud makes > sense No, it doesn't. Ted, please don't put words into my mouth. It's unpleasant, and it's disrespectful. -- Juliusz