Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Bill Johnson
Social democratic countries have much better quality of lives than America. Very few would like pure capitalism. No social security, medicare, military, police/fire, public schools, etc. Most people would be making very little to benefit the wealthy. Unions fought for the benefits we all now 

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Charles Mills
> The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.  The > inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. Under capitalism > man exploits his fellow man. Under socialism it's the other way around.  > CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity.

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Bob Bridges
Boy, and how! Not a computer issue, but I remember the first winter my wife and I had in our first apartment. We woke up suddenly in the middle of the night smelling something burning, and ran frantically around the apartment looking for the fire. I no longer panic at that smell at the onset

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Mike Schwab
Actually, if just a burning smell, might be a lot of dust inside the computer. On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 7:15 PM Bob Bridges wrote: > > LOL! I had a customer whom I repeatedly nagged about error messages. One > day he called and said my program "didn't work". What did it do?, I asked. > No,

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Bob Bridges
LOL! I had a customer whom I repeatedly nagged about error messages. One day he called and said my program "didn't work". What did it do?, I asked. No, don't tell me "nothing"; there must have been an error message; what did it say? "Oh, it said some damn thing", he grumbled. I'm pretty

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Bob Bridges
I don't run in those circles enough. I write in VBA and VBS a lot, but I don't work in a shop where it's common. But I was a COBOL developer for 15 years and I knew coworkers who know COBOL and nothing else. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The inherent vice of

Re: Open XL C++ debugging

2023-02-03 Thread David Crayford
On 4/2/23 02:57, Joseph Reichman wrote: You are attempting to insert a record using an rvalue-reference with an initializer list. That's not supported by the XL C++ standard library which does not support C++11. I already told you that two posts back. The function prototype is like so:

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Charles Mills
At the risk of being contrarian relative to the culture of this group, how is that inherently worse than some programmers have never seen anything but Assembler -- 360/370/390/Z assembler at that? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Charles Mills
How about this one? Customer on phone: Your product blew up. Me: Oh, very sorry, what was the error message? Customer: I don't know. We already deleted the SYSOUT. Something about an error occurred. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread John McKown
Or Visual Basic. On Fri, Feb 3, 2023, 12:10 Bob Bridges wrote: > It is a little distressing, though (at least to me), to observe how many > "programmers" never ~have~ seen anything but COBOL. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* How agitated I am when I am in

Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-03 Thread Ross Vaughn
Hi Rob, I opened a case with IBM but they are referring me to Rocket support for SDSF. So we will open a case there Rocket as well. We did not include any of the SYS1.SGRB* datasets into our LPA, APF, LINKLIST etc. because we didn't think we needed the z/OS Data Gatherer piece and we're not

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 15:43:04 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >The name of ther song is called Haddock Eyes. Data names are variable names; >the fields holding the data are variables. In fact, the manual uses the term >"condition variable". > "Identifier"? -- gil

Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-03 Thread John Wallin
Can you confirm that SYS1.SERBLNKE and SYS1.SGRBLINK come after BMCLINK and BMCLNKE (assuming you have RMF)? The IBM data sets are new in z/OS V2R5, replacing SYS1.SERBLINK, when RMF was split into RMF Reporter and z/OS Data Gatherer. Regards, John

how to read IFCID 0148 status codes

2023-02-03 Thread Bill Giannelli
we use BMC mainview / AMI OPS for Db2 and we have had an issue with threads showing a status of "ACT in NETW". In order to get more information, I understand there are status codes in IFCID 0148. How might I access IFCID 0148 records and reads those codes corresponding to those threads? thanks

Re: Open XL C++ debugging

2023-02-03 Thread Joseph Reichman
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 3:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Open XL C++ debugging On 2/2/23 21:25, Joseph Reichman wrote: > Thanks > > First off, I am assembler programmer by trade I

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
W dniu 03.02.2023 o 16:38, Paul Gorlinsky pisze: Never let and new operator go and practice IPLing the machine… Yes it has happened to a production environment at UNM… Well, I did it. Some auditor asked about procedures. The procedures were in Polish, but he was English-speaking. So he

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Bill Johnson
This is part of the same “Mainframe is dead” BS. New research on the global scale of the COBOL programming language suggests that there are upwards of 800 billion lines of COBOL code being used by organizations and institutes worldwide, some three times larger than previously estimated. A

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Bob Bridges
It is a little distressing, though (at least to me), to observe how many "programmers" never ~have~ seen anything but COBOL. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* How agitated I am when I am in the garden, and how happy I am to be so agitated. Nothing works just the way

Re: To share or not to share DASD

2023-02-03 Thread Rick Troth
Following up on a thread from November. The subject alone caught my eye. I share DASD all the time on my home systems. Related: With the help of an intern (Rushal Verma), I released an automounter script called 'vmlink'. Works great on Linux on top of z/VM. Mainframes have been sharing DASD

Updated Survey: Does your z/OS system have access to GitHub

2023-02-03 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
This is a new survey as the prior, using the free Survey Monkey, only allowed 10 replies before I would have to pay. I'm now using a site, thanks to the IBM z Champions, that doesn't have that limit: https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/7206009/z-OS-and-Github Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website:

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread zMan
TBH I had wondered about a terminology difference, but the fact that nobody else jumped in convinced me that I wasn't the only one going "Wow". And unless COBOL is the only programming language you've ever seen, it seems unlikely that you wouldn't know what a variable is. On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
The name of ther song is called Haddock Eyes. Data names are variable names; the fields holding the data are variables. In fact, the manual uses the term "condition variable". In the process of confirming this, I saw the syntax of UTF-8 literals. I had to rinse out my eyes. -- Shmuel

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
Never let and new operator go and practice IPLing the machine… Yes it has happened to a production environment at UNM… -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Hobart Spitz
On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 9:00 AM zMan wrote: > O my. > > I was on a call with a bunch of customers a few years ago. One of them was > having a very basic problem with a COBOL program calling our product. I > explained that they needed to put the name of into a variable > that gets passed as the

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
I don't want to believe it, but, alas, I do :-( -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of zMan [zedgarhoo...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 10:00 AM

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread zMan
O my. I was on a call with a bunch of customers a few years ago. One of them was having a very basic problem with a COBOL program calling our product. I explained that they needed to put the name of into a variable that gets passed as the first parameter. Silence, then..."What's a variable?" On

Re: Survey - do you have access to GitHub from your z/OS System?

2023-02-03 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I will, and thank you, I'm not sure I'll be able to keep sysprog work out of my mind/blood Carmen On 2/3/2023 8:29 AM, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: Carmen - thank you - did you use the link to the survey so you're response will be included. Retiring - congratulations. May you have many years to

Re: Survey - do you have access to GitHub from your z/OS System?

2023-02-03 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
Carmen - thank you - did you use the link to the survey so you're response will be included. Retiring - congratulations. May you have many years to enjoy and thank you for your contributions to the community. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github:

Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

2023-02-03 Thread Hobart Spitz
When you get the error, display zerrsm and zerrlm. We need to see your code. I think Seymour is asking the right question. On Fri, 3 Feb 2023, 07:19 Cameron Conacher, <03cfc59146bb-dmarc- requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Good Morning, > I have a small REXX which essentially copies members

Re: Survey - do you have access to GitHub from your z/OS System?

2023-02-03 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I do not  the first time I tried was when the z/os 2.3 or 2.4  migration guide was moved to a workflow ongithub, I was floored I had to use github for migration / workflow processing from IBM, why not just provide a workflow with my order or provide a link to an IBM site ?? Sorry

Survey - do you have access to GitHub from your z/OS System?

2023-02-03 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
I'm conducting this survey for the z/OS Open Tools project (https://zosopentools.github.io/meta/#/) and I will share the results with the Open Mainframe Project (OMP - https://www.openmainframeproject.org/) seeking to know if you installation allows access to https://github.com. The survey link

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
Pretend to not have a copy of Systems Codes and ask them to read to you what the manual says and to tell you which part is unclear. Lather, rinse, repeat. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tony Thigpen Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023

Re: Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

2023-02-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
Why are you doing more than on open for the file? BTW, LMOPEN is an ISPF command and is available from, e.g. CLIST, HLASM, PL/I. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Cameron Conacher <03cfc59146bb-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent:

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Steve Smith
Maybe they want him to cry some more. sas On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 8:26 AM Tony Thigpen wrote: > You guys do realize he does not need the answer? He knows the answer and > is complaining about a dumb customer that will not even look up the > error message. > > Tony Thigpen > >

Re: Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

2023-02-03 Thread Lionel B. Dyck
Here is a sample that I wrote awhile ago to better understand how lmcopy works - hope this helps - no lmopen required. /* --- REXX --- * * test code for lmcopy * * */ in = 'hlq.test.pds'

Re: Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

2023-02-03 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
What functions are you using to copy the members… https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.1.0?topic=services-lmopen-open-data-set There is a mention in the link that LMMOVE AND LMCOPY don’t require LMOPEN. Also are you following the LMOPEN with and LMCLOSE? You might need to create a list on

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Tony Thigpen
You guys do realize he does not need the answer? He knows the answer and is complaining about a dumb customer that will not even look up the error message. Tony Thigpen Shelia Chalk wrote on 2/3/23 08:17: The librarys In your steplib or joblib in a batch job, one of them is not apf

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Paul Gorlinsky
Also note that libraries in the linklst are protected by extents, not by name… that is it you add members that ultimately extend the dataset, and you have issued your F LLA,REFRESH you can still get an abend if you are trying to use an authorized program that resides in the new extent.

Having a little difficulty with a REXX command LMOPEN

2023-02-03 Thread Cameron Conacher
Good Morning, I have a small REXX which essentially copies members of one PDSE to another. It iterates over members of the first PDSE and copies the members to the second PDSE. After about eighty members are copied, my LMOPEN fails with a return code of 8. I checked the manual and a return code

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Shelia Chalk
The librarys In your steplib or joblib in a batch job, one of them is not apf authorized. Also, another place to check is your tso logon proc. Look for the steplib, all of these must be apf authorized to make it work. Thanks Shelia Chalk -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-03 Thread Shelia Chalk
We use cmf instead of rmf. I had the same problem on lpar was on z/os 2.5 and the lpar was on z/os 2.3. We open a ticket with the great BMC and they couldn't figure it out for months. So, we cross our fingers and converted the other lpar to z/os 2.5 and CMF started working correctly. Thanks

Now available for s390x: [rexxla-members] Announcing the Release of ooRexx 5.0.0

2023-02-03 Thread Rony G. Flatscher
ooRexx 5.0.0 has gone GA (general available) at Christmas. Enclosed please find the announcment FYI, now that a s390x version has become available, such that this group can take advantage of it immediately on the mainframe. As ooRexx 5.0.0 [1] is available for all important operating systems

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
C: My COBOL program got M: What's in Register 14 C: But COBOL doesn't use registers -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Hank Oerlemans

Re: I want to cry

2023-02-03 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
Hush you bye, don’t you cry, Go to sleepy, little baby. when you wake, You shall have, all the pretty little horses. Blacks and Bays, dapples and grays, Coach and six a little horses. Hush-a-by, Don't you cry, Go to sleep, my little

Re: Missing Values For The 'SDSF DA' Panels - z/OS 2.5

2023-02-03 Thread Rob Scott
Ross, First of all, I am glad you have opened a support case for this, our support team should be able to gather further diagnostic information to resolve the problem. A bit of background information for the archives : (o) In z/OS 2.4+, the SDSF "DA" information is gathered centrally by a

Re: Open XL C++ debugging

2023-02-03 Thread David Crayford
On 2/2/23 21:25, Joseph Reichman wrote: Thanks First off, I am assembler programmer by trade I did learn C/C++ doing some TCP/IP stuff from an Assembler Server Started task. There's a skill to reading documentation. For XL C++ C++11 compatability see