Re: [Ietf-dkim] Welcome to the rechartered working group

2023-03-19 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Mainframes are part of computing history too but there’s more than one of them in production as we speak. If there is no protocol and only a best practice solution then so be it. --srs From: Ietf-dkim on behalf of Michael Thomas Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Welcome to the rechartered working group

2023-03-19 Thread Hector Santos
Took a moment to go over this purported problem with replays: 1.1. The problem Since many domains (including those of bad actors) list DKIM records, receiving systems track the history of messages using a DKIM-based domain name, to formulate a reputation for the name, and then to

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Welcome to the rechartered working group

2023-03-19 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/19/23 11:57 AM, Wei Chuang wrote: On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 4:10 AM Laura Atkins wrote: ... One of the panel members has shared the following from what he said at the session: * RFC 6376 itself says "x=" is not a viable mechanism to deal with replay. * There may

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Welcome to the rechartered working group

2023-03-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On March 19, 2023 6:57:13 PM UTC, Wei Chuang wrote: >On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 4:10 AM Laura Atkins wrote: > >> ... >> One of the panel members has shared the following from what he said at the >> session: >> >> * RFC 6376 itself says "x=" is not a viable mechanism to deal with replay. >> *

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Welcome to the rechartered working group

2023-03-19 Thread Wei Chuang
On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 4:10 AM Laura Atkins wrote: > ... > One of the panel members has shared the following from what he said at the > session: > > * RFC 6376 itself says "x=" is not a viable mechanism to deal with replay. > * There may only be a best practices solution, and not a protocol

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Welcome to the rechartered working group

2023-03-19 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/19/23 10:08 AM, Wei Chuang wrote: * DKIM replay was considered during development of RFC- hence the "x=" tag Considering that x= was mine from the beginning, I can say without question that replay wasn't what I had in mind. I always considered the replay problem to be bogus since

Re: [Ietf-dkim] Welcome to the rechartered working group

2023-03-19 Thread Wei Chuang
I was one of the M3AAWG 57 SF DKIM replay session organizers that helped put together the slides, so I can try to summarize some of the things in the slides. (I was hit with Covid so couldn't attend in person) M3AAWG has a confidentiality policy to permit greater knowledge sharing among