Re: [INDOLOGY] Vedic wolf warriors?

2022-05-13 Thread Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY
Hi Caley, Yes, please send me a copy. Best, Dean On Friday, May 13, 2022, 09:50:44 PM GMT+5:30, Caley Smith wrote: Dear Dean, While "wolf warriors" are news to me (the wolf is a negative sign of anxiety or danger), if you look at Diwakar Acharya's "How to Behave Like a Bull," the

Re: [INDOLOGY] Google Translate for Sanskrit

2022-05-13 Thread John Taber via INDOLOGY
Our team has been translating the Apoha Section of the first chapter of Dharmakīrti's Pramāṇavārttika. We need all the help we can get! So I typed in a sentence that I was struggling with just yesterday, PVSV (Gnoli edn.) 62,24–26: निवेश्यमानो पि एष शब्दो यस्माद भिद्यते तं विनिवर्त्य

Re: [INDOLOGY] Vedic wolf warriors?

2022-05-13 Thread Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY
The Vrātya bands of youthful warriors (see my “Roots of Hinduism” 2015, p. 134ff.) are connected with wolves/dogs and they go back to Proto-Ind-European or at least to Proto-Indo-Iranian times: see p. 135 (with more references to the vrātyas) in the exciting article of David Anthony and Dorcas

Re: [INDOLOGY] Vedic wolf warriors?

2022-05-13 Thread Caley Smith via INDOLOGY
Dear Dean, While "wolf warriors" are news to me (the wolf is a negative sign of anxiety or danger), if you look at Diwakar Acharya's "How to Behave Like a Bull," the paper argues that the emulation (and I personally would say *impersonation*) of Indra as an unruly bull was an ancient Vedic

[INDOLOGY] Vedic wolf warriors?

2022-05-13 Thread Dean Michael Anderson via INDOLOGY
I was watching a video about berserkers inspired by the new movie The Northman and they mentioned that not only were there Viking bear warriors but there were also wolf warriors as shown in the movie. The video said that these wolf warriors are widely found among many of the early

Re: [INDOLOGY] Google Translate for Sanskrit

2022-05-13 Thread patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY
Thanks for the link, Aleksandar. For context, the problem with the census enumeration begins in the rules. The epistemological and ethical issues of enumeration in the Indian census go back to its first iteration in 1872. People eventually became able to provide up to 3 languages and the census

Re: [INDOLOGY] Google Translate for Sanskrit

2022-05-13 Thread Sebastian Nehrdich via INDOLOGY
Looking at the characteristics on these translations, their rather good performance on what could be considered 'modern Sanskrit' and the not-so-convincing performance on older material, I have my doubts whether this is really a zery shot approach; I rather assume that they used a (zero-shot?)

Re: [INDOLOGY] Google Translate for Sanskrit

2022-05-13 Thread Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY
>>Where does Google get the data to substantiate the claim that "Sanskrit, used by about 20,000 people in India" ?<< They could have googled it . But are probably taking census data: https://dataverse.harvard.edu/file.xhtml?fileId=4299666=1.0 Whatever its reliability. Best wishes,

[INDOLOGY] The Rocher Indology Series

2022-05-13 Thread Olivelle, J P via INDOLOGY
Dear Friends: I am delighted to inform you that volumes published by Oxford University Press in “The Rocher Indology Series” will now be Open Access, freely available online to read and download. We are grateful to the Ludo and Rosane Rocher Foundation for underwriting this Open Access Series.

Re: [INDOLOGY] Google Translate for Sanskrit

2022-05-13 Thread Satyanad Kichenassamy
That sounds right. In addition, if I understand them correctly, they claim they have made a significant improvement. In their announcement (https://blog.google/products/translate/24-new-languages/), they say: "This is also a technical milestone for Google Translate. These are the first

Re: [INDOLOGY] Google Translate for Sanskrit

2022-05-13 Thread Oliver Hellwig via INDOLOGY
Most probably they have built their MT system on top of so called deep contextualized embeddings such as BERT (https://towardsdatascience.com/nlp-extract-contextualized-word-embeddings-from-bert-keras-tf-67ef29f60a7b) or Roberta (https://huggingface.co/docs/transformers/model_doc/roberta). We

Re: [INDOLOGY] Google Translate for Sanskrit

2022-05-13 Thread patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY
Where does Google get the data to substantiate the claim that "*Sanskrit*, used by about 20,000 people in India" ? All the best, Patrick McCartney, PhD Adjunct Lecturer - Kyoto University, Kyoto, Japan Research Associate - Nanzan University Anthropological Institute, Nagoya, Japan Visiting

[INDOLOGY] [Publication Announcement] Sāhib Kaula's Tree of Languages (Kalpavṛkṣa)

2022-05-13 Thread Roland Steiner via INDOLOGY
Dear Colleagues, I would like to bring a new publication to your attention: === Jürgen Hanneder Sāhib Kaula's Tree of Languages (Kalpavṛkṣa) A multilingual carmen cancellatum from 17th century Kashmir. Marburg 2021. x, 124 pp. ISBN 978-3-923776-66-5 (Hardcover) 15.5 x 22cm, 330g € 32,00

Re: [INDOLOGY] Google Translate for Sanskrit

2022-05-13 Thread Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY
I think it's also worth asking what the programmers who made this meant when they said 'Sanskrit'. The classical language, or the modern spoken version taught and stratified by organisations like e.g. Samskrita Bharati? I tried a few simple sentences (I went into town, I saw the man, Where is the

[INDOLOGY] Jaya with double genitive?

2022-05-13 Thread Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY
In an astrological text of which I so far have only a single manuscript, I recently came across an expression which may be in need of emendation or may just be an idiom I haven't seen before: aśvadvayasya madhye ko vijayī lagnabhāji horeśe | yaḥ prathamaṃ hṛdaye ’bhūt tasya jayo ’nyasya

Re: [INDOLOGY] Google Translate for Sanskrit

2022-05-13 Thread Satyanad Kichenassamy
Dear All, Here are a few further experiments that illustrate other issues : Input: सत्यमेव जयते Output: Truth always triumphs Input: Truth always triumphs Output: सत्यं सदा विजयते Input: सत्यं सदा विजयते Output: Truth always triumphs Input: C'est la réalité qui triomphe Output: Reality wins