Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-29 Thread Remi Collet
Le 29/08/2013 07:54, Pierre Joye a écrit : hi Remi! On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Remi Collet r...@fedoraproject.org wrote: But we are PHP project members. And we ship an OpenSource software which is Licensed under the PHP License, a really free License (per FSF definition). Ah? I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-29 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.comwrote: Hi! I would like to react on Stat's it's-not-our-problem comment in https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63520 I assume by Stat you mean myself, though I'm not the only one who Yup, sorry for mangling your name, this

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-29 Thread Patrick ALLAERT
2013/8/28 Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com: Hi! And while the issue was first reported by Debian, the other distributions share the same concerns. This is why PHP should consider this - because the other parts of the eco-system are already going forward with this. What we need to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-29 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! Unfortunatelly nobody pointed out that it has to be discussed in the mailing list in the mentioned bug report. We have stated that we have a problem with JSON license and we had to solve the problem we had. I consider the licensing issue as a bug and it's always better to track it as

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-29 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.comwrote: So if something is a question which needs discussion, it is proper to raise it to the list, that doesn't mean automatically it's considered not important or not worth fixing - quite the contrary, raising it on the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-29 Thread Lester Caine
Ondřej Surý wrote: Well, basically the pecl-json-c is now a default provider of JSON extension in Debian (and Fedora) and the downstream distributions (Ubuntu, RHEL, ...). This is an area I've highlighted in the past ... While the PHP distributions define a 'core' set of modules, I don't know

[PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Ondřej Surý
Hi, I would like to react on Stat's it's-not-our-problem comment in https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63520 I am very sad to see a core developer take such a passive-aggressive stance against distributions' problems. My wild guess would be that most of the users use the PHP in the pre-packaged

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 08:55 +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: Hi, I would like to react on Stat's it's-not-our-problem comment in https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63520 I see Stas' reply as respond to Jordi (seld on php.net). We can discuss what *we* *will* do, but for arguing about Debian/Ubuntu

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! I would like to react on Stat's it's-not-our-problem comment in https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63520 I assume by Stat you mean myself, though I'm not the only one who expressed the same sentiment of questioning why this is submitted as a bug in PHP. Assuming that, below are my thoughts on

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Lior Kaplan
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.comwrote: Hi! I would like to react on Stat's it's-not-our-problem comment in https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63520 However, given all that, I think the matter would be handled better if, before taking decisions that can

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=136768085009866w=2 This is great but this is not exactly what I'm talking about. There's a big difference between having an extension that does JSON in PECL and replacing part of PHP core (and very commonly used part) by something else. It very well may be

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Lior Kaplan
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.comwrote: Hi! http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=136768085009866w=2 This is great but this is not exactly what I'm talking about. There's a big difference between having an extension that does JSON in PECL and replacing

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! And while the issue was first reported by Debian, the other distributions share the same concerns. This is why PHP should consider this - because the other parts of the eco-system are already going forward with this. What we need to consider this extension as a replacement for core JSON

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Jan Ehrhardt
Stas Malyshev in php.internals (Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:40:06 -0700): What we need to consider this extension as a replacement for core JSON is: - explanation of advantages and disadvantages (noting that for most PHP users weird license is not a significant disadvantage of the extension) of the change

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Remi Collet
Le 28/08/2013 23:40, Stas Malyshev a écrit : Hi! And while the issue was first reported by Debian, the other distributions share the same concerns. This is why PHP should consider this - because the other parts of the eco-system are already going forward with this. Yes. This is not a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Remi Collet
Le 29/08/2013 00:36, Jan Ehrhardt a écrit : Stas Malyshev in php.internals (Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:40:06 -0700): What we need to consider this extension as a replacement for core JSON is: - explanation of advantages and disadvantages (noting that for most PHP users weird license is not a

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Pierre Joye
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.com wrote: Hi! I would like to react on Stat's it's-not-our-problem comment in https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63520 I assume by Stat you mean myself, Change your first name! It is incompatible with most autocomplete out

Re: [PHP-DEV] Attitude against distributions... (Was: JSON non-free license)

2013-08-28 Thread Pierre Joye
hi Remi! On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Remi Collet r...@fedoraproject.org wrote: But we are PHP project members. And we ship an OpenSource software which is Licensed under the PHP License, a really free License (per FSF definition). Ah? I always read that the PHP License is not actually