Re: Re[2]: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Kim Davis
This is what it says on the site: "Prospective contributors are invited to submit brief proposals, identifying the proposed topic and volume, and may submit proposals for more than one topic or volume." It says submissions will be 4K words or less, with drafts coming in from July 2020 to December

Re: Re[2]: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Devon Thein
What exactly is the submission process? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/

Re: Re[2]: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Elena Kanagy-Loux
In going to reply to this email I realized that the email address listed for proposals is now out of date! Please send all proposals to Vivienne Richmond, one of the project editors along with Janis Jeffries at: vivie...@viviennerichmond.com For the proposal I think they are looking for a short

Re: Re[2]: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Elena Kanagy-Loux
That's a great question, Kim, and one that I don't have an exact answer for yet. If I recall correctly I think they will vary in length from short entries to longer, in-depth articles. So there would be room for both a longer, more general entry on the development of bobbin lace, for example,

Re: Re[2]: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Kim Davis
I agree, Devon, and was looking at where we could fit lace in. I wondered if embellishment (vol 5) is appropriate for some types of lace. Certainly lace can stand alone, but is also often used as a trim applique on other textiles. Would this delve into braids? Knotting? I am also curious,

Re: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Dianne Nicholson
Perhaps the problem is in using the phrasing, woven or non-woven. Years ago when I first encountered this problem, it was suggested in the literature, to use loom or off loom textiles. This labelling is never going to be successfully agreed to. Just my two cents, Dianne > On Oct 20, 2020,

Re: Re[2]: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Elena Kanagy-Loux
I love that idea, Devon. Absolutely, lace should be in every volume. Here's the complete list of volumes for all that are interested: 1. Raw Materials: natural fibers, synthetic filaments, blending fibers, spinning and twining threads and yarns 2. Cloth in Cultures – Wovens: woven structures,

Re: Re[2]: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Devon Thein
Am I misreading the announcement on The Textile Society of America website? It would seem that the architecture of the Encyclopedia has already been established and will consist of 10 volumes. Rather than discussing whether bobbin lace should be added into the already chock full volume about woven

Re: Re[2]: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Clare Lewis
How about Volume 1 and Volume 2? On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 16:34, Sue Babbs wrote: > Maybe the problem comes in titling the Volumes "Woven" and "Non-woven" > . Just a thought > > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For

Re: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Lbuyred
Bravo! I will look forward to seeing a textile book where lace is more than just an “also ran.” Liz > On Oct 20, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Elena Kanagy-Loux > wrote: > > . . . my main emphasis was on wanting the lace section to be broad and > fleshed out the way it deserves to be. So often lace

Re: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Elena Kanagy-Loux
No worries, I get enthusiastic too and I realize tone can be difficult to interpret in email. :) There is still a lot of conversation going on with the editors determining where to put different textiles because they're so hard to categorize. As one of three volume editors for this particular

Re[2]: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Sue Babbs
Maybe the problem comes in titling the Volumes "Woven" and "Non-woven" . Just a thought Sue suebabbs...@gmail.com - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site:

Re: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread N.A. Neff
That does clarify! Thanks Elena. I think I got muddled between the historical points and the structural points. I hope I didn't sound grumpy -- I'm just rather fascinated by the equivalence of the structure and I get overly enthusiastic... :-) Nancy On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 11:03 AM Elena

Re: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Elena Kanagy-Loux
To clarify, I don't disagree with anyone here but I was attempting to answer the question of why bobbin lace was included in the Non-Wovens Volume. Apologies if it came off poorly. There are definitely many textiles that will be difficult to categorize, and having a in-depth examination of the

Re: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Elena Kanagy-Loux
Thank you Nancy, I think conversations like these are fascinating and one of the reasons why I enjoy Arachne so much! It's definitely difficult to draw sharp divisions in a field with so much nuance. Contributions from all perspectives are welcome and I look forward to reading them! Best, Elena

Re: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread N.A. Neff
Yes, you are absolutely right, the evidence is good that bobbin lace developed from braiding -- but braiding is also weaving in which a warp thread becomes a weft thread at the edge at each pass. See the very first illustration in the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_group.

Re: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Bev Walker
Oh my, bobbin lace is definitely a woven fabric. The passives are warp, the weavers/workers are weft :) Consider BL an off-loom technique. Braids are woven also. On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:11 AM Elena Kanagy-Loux wrote: > Hi All, > > with one set of elements. > Tally stitches come closest to a

Re: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread Elena Kanagy-Loux
Hi All, I think experts in early bobbin lace like Gil Dye can speak to this more than I can, but evidence points to bobbin lace developing from braiding techniques, not weaving. Textile historians generally rely on "The Primary Structures of Fabrics" by Irene Emery to draw such distinctions,

Re: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

2020-10-20 Thread N.A. Neff
Good Liz! That bothered me too. Bobbin lace IS weaving in which the warp is free at one end and threads can change function from warp to weft or reverse. But it is topologically exactly weaving -- no knots. And even the most complicated stitches boil down to the over/under relationship of the