Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-08 Thread Italo Vignoli
Il giorno 07/dic/2011 10:13, Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com ha scritto: You seem to be taking the complaints about Beta/Alpha personally. [snip] If this situation happened is because we all failed. I totally agree with Pedro. I am sure that each one of us is doing his best for the success of

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-07 Thread Petr Mladek
Cor Nouws píše v Út 06. 12. 2011 v 21:12 +0100: Michael Stahl wrote (06-12-11 13:20) On 03/12/11 18:27, Cor Nouws wrote: Michael Meeks wrote (03-12-11 15:50) Yes ! we have not branched yet; master will branch at the feature-freeze before B1 so we have: master Beta0

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-07 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Petr, * It was not intended for wide functional testing. It helped to find exactly the problems that it was supposed to find. It is clear that we should have used the name alphaX. Well, the plan was public and nobody protested against the beta0 name ;-) You seem to be taking the

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-06 Thread Cor Nouws
Michael Stahl wrote (06-12-11 13:20) On 03/12/11 18:27, Cor Nouws wrote: Michael Meeks wrote (03-12-11 15:50) Yes ! we have not branched yet; master will branch at the feature-freeze before B1 so we have: master Beta0 ---\--- crazy stuff ...

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-05 Thread Petr Mladek
Cor Nouws píše v So 03. 12. 2011 v 18:23 +0100: Pedro Lino wrote (03-12-11 11:23) I hope that _at least_ they make DAMN sure that Beta1 doesn't overwrite the stable build... To be honest: I have no idea. I just install zillions (well, little less ;-) ) without system integration. But

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-05 Thread Pedro Lino
We plan to do the beta builds as dev builds, so they will be installed in parallel with the stable release. Excellent news! Is this going to be included on the first Public Beta which is scheduled for today? Though, the release candidates are going to replace the stable releases on Windows

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-05 Thread Petr Mladek
Pedro Lino píše v Po 05. 12. 2011 v 09:48 +: We plan to do the beta builds as dev builds, so they will be installed in parallel with the stable release. Excellent news! Is this going to be included on the first Public Beta which is scheduled for today? Yes, beta1 will be dev-build

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-05 Thread Petr Mladek
Cor Nouws píše v So 03. 12. 2011 v 18:27 +0100: Michael Meeks wrote (03-12-11 15:50) Yes ! we have not branched yet; master will branch at the feature-freeze before B1 so we have: master Beta0 ---\--- crazy stuff ... \

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-05 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 12/5/11 2:36 PM, Petr Mladek wrote: I would prefer to keep it as is. In each case, I do not feel like deciding about this myself. I think that we can stick to Beta 1, although I feel that there would be less misunderstandings by using Alpha (for instance, FileHippo has distributed Beta 0

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-05 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: Cor Nouws píše v So 03. 12. 2011 v 18:23 +0100: Pedro Lino wrote (03-12-11 11:23) I hope that _at least_ they make DAMN sure that Beta1 doesn't overwrite the stable build... To be honest: I have no idea. I just install

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-05 Thread Cor Nouws
Italo Vignoli wrote (06-12-11 01:44) If we stick to Beta 1, though, we should make it VERY clear on the accompanying message that this is a Beta intended to help developers, because advanced users can install it to test features and discover bugs. [...] Yes, the communication has to be clear

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-04 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Cor Nouws schrieb: AFAIAC, no need to say sorry for that. It's part of our work that we carry that happily, isn't it, Rainer ;-) Hi, Yes! I did not want to blame anyone, I only regretted our mishap to catch one of the worse ones of the Source stages of development. And for me Cor's idea

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Rainer, Rainer Bielefeld wrote (03-12-11 08:42) Shit happens, now the question is how we will go on. As posted already yesterday, it is not unlikely that beta1 will have about the same troubles. If so, those will be fixed before beta2, which will make that version fine for larger

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-03 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Rainer, On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 08:42 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: it's a disaster, completely unusable ! Quality of Beta0 is far behind quality of Master during the last weeks, it seems that we were not lucky with the time where the tag has been created Quite quite :-) so Beta1

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Pedro Lino wrote (03-12-11 11:23) I hope that _at least_ they make DAMN sure that Beta1 doesn't overwrite the stable build... To be honest: I have no idea. I just install zillions (well, little less ;-) ) without system integration. But your question is relevant indeed. Anyone else?

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Michael Meeks wrote (03-12-11 15:50) Yes ! we have not branched yet; master will branch at the feature-freeze before B1 so we have: master Beta0 ---\--- crazy stuff ... \ \- Beta1 --- stabilisation

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Michael Meeks wrote (03-12-11 15:49) Well - we've fixed a number of the most obvious packaging bugs, parallel installability etc. etc. in master - so (without further new problems - of which we expect some up to the freeze) Beta1 will be rather better. It's more realistic to expect

Re: [Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-qa] LibO 3.5.0 Beta 0 First assessment

2011-12-03 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 12/3/11 6:27 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Will be something that marketing is going to praise us for, isn't it? If the change of code name is not a problem, it would make thing easier for everyone. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype