Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
Hi, On Wednesday, 2012-01-25 15:33:13 -0500, Kohei Yoshida wrote: On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 14:05 -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: I don't mind the removal of [LibreOffice], but I mind messing with the reply-to Same here. Same for me. But, I know that unfortunately there are uncapable mail filters in the big enterprises' wild that don't filter on anything else than From,To,Subject, but not any List-* header or whatsoever. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD pgpnUpSVrBEOx.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 21:01 +0100, khagaroth wrote: While at it, it would be nice to also set Reply-To: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org. Which is an abomination :-) ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
On Tuesday 24 of January 2012, khagaroth wrote: While at it, it would be nice to also set Reply-To: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org. Oh, well, that's something people will probably never agree on *shrug*. You just need to get a mail client that is modern enough (that's, like, last decade) to have 'reply-to-mailing-list' and that solves the problem. And that was a plural you, if I wanted to get all those useless duplicates of replies to my mails, I would have said so. -- Lubos Lunak l.lu...@suse.cz ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
Hi, Lubos Lunak schrieb: On Tuesday 24 of January 2012, khagaroth wrote: While at it, it would be nice to also set Reply-To: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org. Oh, well, that's something people will probably never agree on *shrug*. You just need to get a mail client that is modern enough (that's, like, last decade) to have 'reply-to-mailing-list' and that solves the problem. And that was a plural you, if I wanted to get all those useless duplicates of replies to my mails, I would have said so. I use an actual Seamonkey and it has no reply-to-mailing-list but only a reply-to-all. Please tell me a mail client for WinXP and for Windows 7, that has got this kind of replying. Kind regards Regina ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
On 01/25/2012 12:04 PM, Lubos Lunak wrote: if I wanted to get all those useless duplicates of replies to my mails, I would have said so. This might be a controversial issue. While I too feel I don't require to receive a personal to/cc in a response to a mail I sent to the list, I already got (indirect) complaint that people did not notice my replies to their mails-to-list when I sent the reply to the list only. So, I got into the habit of reply-all. Stephan ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
On Wednesday 25 of January 2012, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi, Lubos Lunak schrieb: On Tuesday 24 of January 2012, khagaroth wrote: While at it, it would be nice to also set Reply-To: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org. Oh, well, that's something people will probably never agree on *shrug*. You just need to get a mail client that is modern enough (that's, like, last decade) to have 'reply-to-mailing-list' and that solves the problem. And that was a plural you, if I wanted to get all those useless duplicates of replies to my mails, I would have said so. I use an actual Seamonkey and it has no reply-to-mailing-list but only a reply-to-all. Please tell me a mail client for WinXP and for Windows 7, that has got this kind of replying. I checked Thunderbird on Linux and it has this, so I expect the Windows version has it as well. There also seems to exist an extension for Seamonkey that hacks it in (http://www.juergen-ernst.de/addons/replytolist.html). But otherwise, yeah, the sarcastic comment about last decade sadly was there for a reason. -- Lubos Lunak l.lu...@suse.cz ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
On Wednesday 25 of January 2012, Stephan Bergmann wrote: On 01/25/2012 12:04 PM, Lubos Lunak wrote: if I wanted to get all those useless duplicates of replies to my mails, I would have said so. This might be a controversial issue. While I too feel I don't require to receive a personal to/cc in a response to a mail I sent to the list, I already got (indirect) complaint that people did not notice my replies to their mails-to-list when I sent the reply to the list only. So, I got into the habit of reply-all. Well, I can start complaining about the extra copies whenever I get one if that helps anything :). There exists http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html , which should help with this. There's of course the usual problem of some mail clients not bothering to support useful functionality, but if the reply-to-munging-harmful crowd can waive that argument off, I don't see why the same couldn't be done here. Besides, there's the much simpler way of getting the copy by making a filter rule on In-Reply-To:.*email*. Another reason is that this gives everybody a choice whether they want the extra copy or not, whereas reply-to-all forces everybody to get the duplicate (and the filter-it-out suggestion is ridiculous, what if somebody really explicitly also CC-ed me e.g. because it's urgent?). -- Lubos Lunak l.lu...@suse.cz ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
On 24/01/12 16:26, Lubos Lunak wrote: - it leaves less room for the actually important part of the subject when browsing mail - which gets expecially insane when forwarding mails futher or between such mailing lists - it makes adding tags like [PUSHED] more cumbersome - one would hope that by 2012 everybody interested in filtering mail can actually do it based on the List-Id header, which has the additional benefit of really filtering mails from the mailing list Because of the huge traffic of this list, I had to go to gmail with it. Now, when I access that gmail from my phone, I don't want to have hundreds of messages messing up the actual inbox. And Gmail allows server-side filtering only on from/to/subject and has the words/does not have the words and presence of attachment. I would really object to this change vehemently. Whether my voice counts something, that is other thing though. Cheers Fridrich ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
Lubos Lunak wrote: (and the filter-it-out suggestion is ridiculous, what if somebody really explicitly also CC-ed me e.g. because it's urgent?). http://help.cselabs.umn.edu/email/procmail ;) -- Thorsten, who simply can't resist the bikeshedding pgpORhGZR0Ryo.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
On Wednesday 25 of January 2012, Fridrich Strba wrote: On 24/01/12 16:26, Lubos Lunak wrote: - it leaves less room for the actually important part of the subject when browsing mail - which gets expecially insane when forwarding mails futher or between such mailing lists - it makes adding tags like [PUSHED] more cumbersome - one would hope that by 2012 everybody interested in filtering mail can actually do it based on the List-Id header, which has the additional benefit of really filtering mails from the mailing list Because of the huge traffic of this list, I had to go to gmail with it. Now, when I access that gmail from my phone, I don't want to have hundreds of messages messing up the actual inbox. And Gmail allows server-side filtering only on from/to/subject and has the words/does not have the words and presence of attachment. http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2007/11/filter-messages-from-mailing-list-in.html disagrees. -- Lubos Lunak l.lu...@suse.cz ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
On Wednesday 25 of January 2012, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Lubos Lunak wrote: (and the filter-it-out suggestion is ridiculous, what if somebody really explicitly also CC-ed me e.g. because it's urgent?). http://help.cselabs.umn.edu/email/procmail ;) Cool! So what exactly is the rule that makes procmail detect whether I'm in CC because the sender was lazy and did reply-to-all or because they actually wanted me to be in CC? -- Lubos Lunak l.lu...@suse.cz ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Lubos Lunak l.lu...@suse.cz wrote: On Tuesday 24 of January 2012, khagaroth wrote: While at it, it would be nice to also set Reply-To: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org. Oh, well, that's something people will probably never agree on *shrug*. You just need to get a mail client that is modern enough (that's, like, last decade) to have 'reply-to-mailing-list' and that solves the problem. And that was a plural you, if I wanted to get all those useless duplicates of replies to my mails, I would have said so. Tell that to google. I don't understand how they can support filtering by mailing list so well, but don't have a 'reply to mailing list' option. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
OK, thanks for the pointer. I withdraw my vehement opposition then F. On 25/01/12 16:25, Lubos Lunak wrote: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2007/11/filter-messages-from-mailing-list-in.html disagrees. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 16:26 +0100, Lubos Lunak wrote: could this mailing list's configuration be changed to not add the pointless [Libreoffice] to the beginning? I'd be up for that, in the absence of any violent objections / industrial-scale bike-shed construction, lets make a decision at the ESC this Thur. :-) I don't mind the removal of [LibreOffice], but I mind messing with the reply-to Norbert ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 14:05 -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: I don't mind the removal of [LibreOffice], but I mind messing with the reply-to Same here. Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
While at it, it would be nice to also set Reply-To: libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 16:26 +0100, Lubos Lunak wrote: could this mailing list's configuration be changed to not add the pointless [Libreoffice] to the beginning? I'd be up for that, in the absence of any violent objections / industrial-scale bike-shed construction, lets make a decision at the ESC this Thur. :-) Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Changing list setup to not add to subject
Lubos Lunak wrote: could this mailing list's configuration be changed to not add the pointless [Libreoffice] to the beginning? Yes. - one would hope that by 2012 everybody interested in filtering mail can actually do it based on the List-Id header, which has the additional benefit of really filtering mails from the mailing list One would hope. But with any change, there's potential for disruption. Let's wait a day or two, and unless there are objections, switch it off then. Cheers, -- Thorsten pgp5AvlNaviDl.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
