Re: The role of FOSS in preventing a recurrence of vehicle emissions scandals

2023-05-15 Thread Matt Ivie
On Tue, 2023-05-09 at 17:32 -0400, John Sullivan wrote: > > One way may be to have the software in question be a fully > reproducible > build. The state (or whoever) maintains a list of approved hashes > from > known reproducible builds that people can install on their own cars, > and > there is

Re: The role of FOSS in preventing a recurrence of vehicle emissions scandals

2023-05-11 Thread Lars Noodén
On 5/9/23 07:32, J.B. Nicholson wrote: [snip] The punishment for this fraud did not include mandating free software. As far as I know, none of the victimized customers ended up with free software car firmware and the means to update applicable cars to a libre version of that software (no

Re: The role of FOSS in preventing a recurrence of vehicle emissions scandals

2023-05-11 Thread John Sullivan
On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 08:57:22AM -0700, Matt Ivie wrote: > On Sat, 2023-05-06 at 16:58 +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: > > Recent news¹ reminds us that back in 2015 a whistleblower exposed the > > VW/Audi emissions scandal, which I guess had been going on since > > 1999. > > The companies executives

Re: The role of FOSS in preventing a recurrence of vehicle emissions scandals

2023-05-09 Thread Hector Espinoza
Very good initiative Lars. It is possible (but very difficult in practice) to create a device, as "simple" as a open source open hardware counter, as "simple" as that, embedded in every sensor or controller, that counts how many times it was re-configured. Again, proprietary

Re: The role of FOSS in preventing a recurrence of vehicle emissions scandals

2023-05-09 Thread J.B. Nicholson
A very effective argument is to look back at what happened under software non-freedom. The entirety of https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/ is replete with examples of this, often from establishment-serving media which passes muster in the computer field. In fact

Re: The role of FOSS in preventing a recurrence of vehicle emissions scandals

2023-05-08 Thread Matt Ivie
On Sat, 2023-05-06 at 16:58 +0300, Lars Noodén wrote: > Recent news¹ reminds us that back in 2015 a whistleblower exposed the > VW/Audi emissions scandal, which I guess had been going on since > 1999. > The companies executives used closed source, proprietary software in > the > vehicles to hide

The role of FOSS in preventing a recurrence of vehicle emissions scandals

2023-05-08 Thread Lars Noodén
Recent news¹ reminds us that back in 2015 a whistleblower exposed the VW/Audi emissions scandal, which I guess had been going on since 1999. The companies executives used closed source, proprietary software in the vehicles to hide the fact that the vehicles were emitting 40 times the allowed NOx