On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Jay Vaughan wrote:
i mean .. i've been using linux since the minix-list post, and i'll be damned
if i can keep up with all this ALSA/esd/OSS/jackd/artsserver voodoo that is
expected of anyone wanting to get audio working in linux, at the same/similar
degree of operational
At 0:10 -0400 14/6/05, Paul Winkler wrote:
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 02:20:13AM +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote:
WHAT OSS guys,
The guys that wrote it.
http://www.opensound.com/
so you're telling me that because OSS make more noise and have a
tighter line of promotion (through xmms), ALSA is
I must admit, I had to double-check that I really am reading the
year-2005 folder of linux-audio-dev, and not some old mails from the
archives. ;) Now that SuSE, Mandrake, Fedora and others have started
to use dmix as the default output plugin, basic desktop sound stuff
should finally start to
On Tue, 2005-14-06 at 10:50 +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote:
I must admit, I had to double-check that I really am reading the
year-2005 folder of linux-audio-dev, and not some old mails from the
archives. ;) Now that SuSE, Mandrake, Fedora and others have started
to use dmix as the default output
I think we should take it for what it is: a whiney rant from someone
who is famous for whining about anything and everything.
sorry, but i don't agree.
Why should we care what jwz thinks?
jwz, like it or not, leads opinion. he makes news. agree with him
or disagree with him: you're
Erik de Castro Lopo:
Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote:
I was primarily testing speed, but both libraries where using the sinc
routine, so...
Yes, but you can design a sinc filter with 10 coefficients and one
with 1. The one with 1 coefficients will have a steeper
transition band
Hi,
I have a PlanetCCRMA FC2 system on a Dell Inspiron8200 (P4 1.6G 512 ram)
that works absolutely fantastic, both with the onboard AC97 card and
with the pcmcia Echo Mona Interface. Latency in jack 5.4 ms very
reliably (xruns ocasionally when doing something you know will cause an
xrun, like
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 11:27 +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote:
jwz, like it or not, leads opinion. he makes news. agree with him
or disagree with him: you're still being led into an opinion on a
subject as a result of his effort, either way.
Who in the hell is this jwz, and why does everyone care
Jay Vaughan wrote:
such opinion-cults are all the FOSS world -has- for a PR front. this
one happens to be negative. its quite possible, however, that a
counter to his position would work *positively*, if we were prepared
to organize it a bit. i'd be quite happy, actually, to submit to /. a
Am Dienstag, den 14.06.2005, 10:36 -0400 schrieb Lee Revell:
Who in the hell is this jwz, and why does everyone care what he thinks
so much? Can someone at least post a link to this rant of his?
This one?
jwz - fuck the skull of alsa
http://jwz.livejournal.com/490051.html
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Jan Weil wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 14.06.2005, 10:36 -0400 schrieb Lee Revell:
Who in the hell is this jwz, and why does everyone care what he thinks
so much? Can someone at least post a link to this rant of his?
This one?
jwz - fuck the skull of alsa
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 17:12 +0200, Jan Weil wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 14.06.2005, 10:36 -0400 schrieb Lee Revell:
Who in the hell is this jwz, and why does everyone care what he thinks
so much? Can someone at least post a link to this rant of his?
This one?
jwz - fuck the skull of alsa
I assume you've already seen my 18 articles (one per month) published
on-line for the Linux Journal ? Or perhaps you've read the articles
I've written for the hard-copy LJ, Linux Magazine-UK or the Computer
Music Journal ? Every letter of that output deals with Linux audio
(and even some
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 17:12 +0200, Jan Weil wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 14.06.2005, 10:36 -0400 schrieb Lee Revell:
Who in the hell is this jwz, and why does everyone care what he thinks
so much? Can someone at least post a link to this rant of his?
This one?
jwz - fuck the skull of alsa
Hi,
Why not solve this kinds of problems.
Soulutions:
1) Remove OSS drivers from kernel - then all problems will be alsa
problems.
2) Remove OSS emulation from alsa - then all problems will be OSS
problems.
Otherways this will be newer end.
Peter Zubaj
Also, he seems to be pissed because he bought one of the new SBLives
that uses the snd-ca0106 driver, and expects to get hardware mixing like
a real SBLive. He's just an idiot, and his beef is with Creative, not
the ALSA people.
jwz isn't an idiot, and he doesn't expect h/w mixing. he knows
Lee Revell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 17:12 +0200, Jan Weil wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 14.06.2005, 10:36 -0400 schrieb Lee Revell:
Who in the hell is this jwz, and why does everyone care what he thinks
so much? Can someone at least post a link to this rant of his?
This
Dave Phillips wrote:
I can honestly say that
jwz appears to have no influence at all within this community.
Well, that's exactly the point, isn't it. Within this enlightened,
favoured and lucky community, no-one needs convincing - that would be
preaching to the choir. The original poster wants
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 11:50 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
Also, he seems to be pissed because he bought one of the new SBLives
that uses the snd-ca0106 driver, and expects to get hardware mixing like
a real SBLive. He's just an idiot, and his beef is with Creative, not
the ALSA people.
jwz
it would be great to counter the jwz diatribe with a mass
of 'well, sound works just fine for me' posts from those
who do have, and use daily, a working audio sub-system
under linux..
We aren't there - not yet.
[...]
i'm sure there are LAD'ers whose systems are superlative
examples of
This all tells me that the distro maintainers put a
shockingly low priority on having sound work OOTB,
otherwise, why didn't they do this a year ago? AFAICT it's
just laziness.
Laziness and commercial pressure.
The commercial distros spend their time in patching kernels,
creating distro
The original poster wants to change opinions
*outside* the community, where some people do think Linux
audio's not up to scratch - or that it's hard to configure
- or whatever. If they're wrong, the original poster was
saying, let's change their minds.
Isn't it too early?
I think 2005 is a
Hi,
I just wanted to add what I think about the whole issue:
Frist of all, jwz is fundamentally right with one observation:
There is something wrong with the Linux-Audio Situation.
You install the Operating System, you want to listen to some Sound,
and it doesn't work. This is a problem.
James McDermott wrote:
Dave Phillips wrote:
I can honestly say that
jwz appears to have no influence at all within this community.
Well, that's exactly the point, isn't it. Within this enlightened,
favoured and lucky community, no-one needs convincing - that would be
preaching to
Hi, Anyone knows how can I use callback builtin functions to
operations like capture, playback and events using ALSA API?
For a while I'd implemented calls to callback functions in each return
of 'writei' and 'readi'.
Thank you.
That's not a problem, that's the usual evolution as seen
may times in the free software world.
i disagree. i think it *is* a problem. its not a problem
for people willing and able to grapple with the
implications of this evolution (like myself and
yourself). but its a huge issue to
That's it? Why do people listen to this guy again, he seems to be just
another idiot luser who blames ALSA for every XMMS bug.
ever heard of netscape? jwz is one of the glory-children of that
project, a very active F/OSS advocate over the years.
this story is important because it is about
he [jwz] also doesn't understand how few people produced ALSA.
i dunno, i don't want to speak for jwz, but i'm pretty sure he's
aware just how a few people can get a very great thing done. you may
say he's seasoned at it, in fact, and knows the pitfalls 'the mob' go
through in order to
Agreed, but as I tried to indicate, there's a boatload of helpful
information out there. jwz writes *as if it doesn't exist*.
he writes simply this: he shouldn't have to freakin' care.
maybe this is linus' fault for not putting in all the kernel patches
needed to make ALSA just work, eh?
Well, that's exactly the point, isn't it. Within this enlightened,
favoured and lucky community, no-one needs convincing - that would be
preaching to the choir. The original poster wants to change opinions
*outside* the community, where some people do think Linux audio's not
up to scratch - or
a) a well-formed strategy to clean up the Linux mess, and
b) an [mplayer/skype] patch-fest to bring them in line with
that strategy using actual source changes (where possible),
and c) far greater advocacy of the success of linux audio
by its users and boot-CD makers ..
... would do the
Hi Jay:
Thanks for your civil response and the good humor. Yes, I'm blowing
off steam, and yes, I can be as self-righteous as anyone else. It's
probably because I do use the very software jwz despairs of. And I have
to add that no, I don't especially care for the slumming style of the
Agreed, but as I tried to indicate, there's a boatload of helpful
information out there. jwz writes *as if it doesn't exist*. He doesn't
avail himself of the available resources, and he discredits himself and
his opinions by just that failure. His articles show little evidence of
background
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 17:58 +0200, Mario Lang wrote:
People seem to be fooled by the fact that jwz has done many open source
contributions. However, he has a history of ranting, last instance
I remember was a hate-parade against the Debian X Windows System maintainers.
Just ignore him, my 2
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 21:16 +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote:
b) an [mplayer/skype] patch-fest to bring them in line with that
strategy using actual source changes (where possible)
Skype is closed source and the mplayer developers are a pain in the ass
to deal with due to blatant pro-OSS (as in
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 07:09:38PM +0200, Richard Spindler wrote:
Hi,
I'm actually amazed that there is still no premium Linux-Workstation
Integrator that ships well selected Linux-Boxes with a custom
Linux-Distribution that's exactly fitted to the Hardware. That'd be
hard to beat.
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 21:09 +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote:
That's it? Why do people listen to this guy again, he seems to be just
another idiot luser who blames ALSA for every XMMS bug.
ever heard of netscape? jwz is one of the glory-children of that
project, a very active F/OSS advocate over
On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 20:55 -0400, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 07:09:38PM +0200, Richard Spindler wrote:
Hi,
I'm actually amazed that there is still no premium Linux-Workstation
Integrator that ships well selected Linux-Boxes with a custom
Linux-Distribution
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