[linux-audio-dev] multiface latency question

2006-04-06 Thread Dmitry Baikov
Hello! I'm planning to get RME Multiface (II) and have a question to it's owners. Can you, please, post its latency in audio loop, measured with jaaa in 2x64 buffer setup. Thank you. Regards, Dmitry. P.S. crossposted from LAU, since there were no responces.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] multiface latency question

2006-04-06 Thread Alfons Adriaensen
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 02:36:34PM +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: Hello! I'm planning to get RME Multiface (II) and have a question to it's owners. Can you, please, post its latency in audio loop, measured with jaaa in 2x64 buffer setup. Better use jdelay for that, that's why it exists ! --

[linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Stinson
I've been looking for a high-performance music engine. It must have an asynchronous control (socket, pipe?) mechanism to seperate the application from the audio thread. I'm looking for: start/stop samples on the beat scaled tempo control across all samples volume effects? easily wrappable (I'll

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: GPL Audio Hardware

2006-04-06 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Lee Revell wrote: Lately however Creative/EMU's DSP cards have been getting great reviews (X-Fi, EMU 1212M, etc) - they seem to have fixed a lot of the common complaints about the SBLive! based devices (crappy codecs, horrible resampling). And they are still damn cheap ($200-300 tops IIRC) but

Re: [linux-audio-dev] multiface latency question

2006-04-06 Thread Dmitry Baikov
Better use jdelay for that, that's why it exists ! Oops, my bad - I mixed up the names... jdelay, definetely! P.S. that's why I get no responces - they are still measuring

[linux-audio-dev] EMU 1212M

2006-04-06 Thread Dmitry Baikov
On 4/6/06, James Courtier-Dutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Creative have actually donated an X-Fi and an EMU1212M to me. No datasheets, but at least having the hardware is a start. (Creative pass me some datasheets for other cards though) I have currently got as far as horrible noises coming

[linux-audio-dev] Re: EMU 1212M

2006-04-06 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Dmitry Baikov wrote: On 4/6/06, James Courtier-Dutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Creative have actually donated an X-Fi and an EMU1212M to me. No datasheets, but at least having the hardware is a start. (Creative pass me some datasheets for other cards though) I have currently got as far as

Re: [linux-audio-dev] multiface latency question

2006-04-06 Thread Alfons Adriaensen
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 04:50:37PM +0400, Dmitry Baikov wrote: Better use jdelay for that, that's why it exists ! Oops, my bad - I mixed up the names... P.S. that's why I get no responces - they are still measuring It shouldn't take more than a minute... -- FA Follie! Follie!

Re: [linux-audio-dev] multiface latency question

2006-04-06 Thread Dmitry Baikov
P.S. that's why I get no responces - they are still measuring It shouldn't take more than a minute... I mean they are measuring with jaaa ;) Still hoping to get the info, Dmitry.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Lee Revell
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 04:14 -0800, Patrick Stinson wrote: I've been looking for a high-performance music engine. It must have an asynchronous control (socket, pipe?) mechanism to seperate the application from the audio thread. I'm looking for: start/stop samples on the beat scaled tempo

Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Paul Davis
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 11:48 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 04:14 -0800, Patrick Stinson wrote: I've been looking for a high-performance music engine. It must have an asynchronous control (socket, pipe?) mechanism to seperate the application from the audio thread. I'm

Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Lance Blisters
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 04:14:32AM -0800, Patrick Stinson wrote: I've been looking for a high-performance music engine. It must have an asynchronous control (socket, pipe?) mechanism to seperate the application from the audio thread. Everytime this comes up, i hesitantly recommend GDAM. Its

Re: [linux-audio-dev] multiface latency question

2006-04-06 Thread Wolfgang Woehl
Dmitry Baikov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: P.S. that's why I get no responces - they are still measuring Might be because there are no Multiface II's around. Anyway, here are numbers for a hdsp 9652 + Behringer ada8000 audio loop, the hdsp has similar core specs down to the FPGA architecture.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] multiface latency question

2006-04-06 Thread Jan Weil
Hi Dmitry, Am Donnerstag, den 06.04.2006, 14:36 +0400 schrieb Dmitry Baikov: I'm planning to get RME Multiface (II) and have a question to it's owners. Can you, please, post its latency in audio loop, measured with jaaa in 2x64 buffer setup. 206.805 This is a Thinkpad T43 with an unpatched

Re: [linux-audio-dev] multiface latency question

2006-04-06 Thread fons adriaensen
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 08:28:32PM +0200, Jan Weil wrote: 206.805 This is a Thinkpad T43 with an unpatched 2.6.16 with CONFIG_PREEMPT=y, jackd 0.100.7, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now what does that value tell me? These are samples, I suppose, i. e. 4.308 msec? Yep, it's samples. Fons, how do

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: GPL Audio Hardware

2006-04-06 Thread Eric Dantan Rzewnicki
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 07:52:26PM -0500, Richard Smith wrote: Frankly I think 60+ channels is completely unrealistic (otherwise one would probably exist), but what do I know. If it's possible, hell yes put them in there. The hammerfall will do 52 so I don't see 60+ as that much of a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] multiface latency question

2006-04-06 Thread Lee Revell
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 20:52 +0200, fons adriaensen wrote: Have you been able to use -p 64 with 2.6.16 on the Thinkpad with ACPI ? I had no problems with it on my R51 when using 2.6.8 (SuSE 9.2), but since 2.6.13 (SuSE 10.0) I have to disable it. Killing the modules doesn't help, but acpi=off

Re: [linux-audio-dev] multiface latency question

2006-04-06 Thread fons adriaensen
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 02:57:28PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 20:52 +0200, fons adriaensen wrote: Have you been able to use -p 64 with 2.6.16 on the Thinkpad with ACPI ? I had no problems with it on my R51 when using 2.6.8 (SuSE 9.2), but since 2.6.13 (SuSE 10.0) I have

Re: [linux-audio-dev] multiface latency question

2006-04-06 Thread Lee Revell
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 21:25 +0200, fons adriaensen wrote: Every 40 seconds I get a shower of timeouts in JACK, even when no clients are running. I suspected the battery check of course, but that is configured for a 60 second period, and it didn't do any harm before. Killing powersaved and

Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread carmen
Freewheeling is *so* unlike Live its hard to even link the two. Just for a start, Live is organized around a timeline, Freewheeling is not. Live does have a freewheeling mode.where you can basically turn on and off loops and fx, McMusic style. you can record the actions in this mode, and view

Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Wolfgang Woehl
Lance Blisters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: GDAM also has seamless queueing of upcoming tracks, numerous builtin effects and LADSPA and JACK support. You Is there an available release somewhere with jack support? Am I missing a magic switch? Jack support, that would be just awesome. I have an elder

Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Lee Revell
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 19:40 +, carmen wrote: Freewheeling is *so* unlike Live its hard to even link the two. Just for a start, Live is organized around a timeline, Freewheeling is not. Live does have a freewheeling mode.where you can basically turn on and off loops and fx, McMusic

Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Lance Blisters
Sorry, no release since then. I'm 90% certain that full JACK support is in CVS already, if not then it'll be in within a week as i'm planning a big cvs commit binge (purge?) of the last month's developments. Unfortunately I have no plans to release but do plan to keep CVS compileable and up to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: GPL Audio Hardware

2006-04-06 Thread Joshua Boyd
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 07:52:26PM -0500, Richard Smith wrote: Getting that to fly in an FPGA however may be the problem as you start running into clock speed limits. And an ASIC suffers from the lack of startup cash. I've seen a 64 channel interface fit into a single Spartan 2E that was

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: GPL Audio Hardware

2006-04-06 Thread Joshua Boyd
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 07:56:23PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: Agreed. We don't need a bunch of useless consumer cruft on a card. However channels are good, don't downplay channels :). This thing should have as many channels as possible. Obviously there is a physical limit to how many you

Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Wolfgang Woehl
Lance Blisters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry, no release since then. I'm 90% certain that full JACK support is in CVS already, if not then it'll be in within a week as i'm planning a big cvs commit binge (purge?) of the last month's developments. Unfortunately I have no plans to release but do

Re: [linux-audio-dev] multiface latency question

2006-04-06 Thread Dmitry Baikov
My Delta66 has latency of 188 samples. In theory, Multiface's could have the same results, but it definetely should do more buffering to send values to breakout box. As Jan measured, there is a little: ~207 vs 188. Thank you! Dmitry. P.S. if only EMU 1616M had linux drivers... At least RME has

Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Albert Graef
carmen wrote: Freewheeling is *so* unlike Live its hard to even link the two. Just for a start, Live is organized around a timeline, Freewheeling is not. Live does have a freewheeling mode.where you can basically turn on and off loops and fx, McMusic style. you can record the actions in this

Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Lee Revell
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 23:18 +0200, Albert Graef wrote: Anyway, having something like Ableton Live on Linux would be a great boon, it's the one single program that I still run Windows for. But IMHO recreating that from scratch as open source for Linux is a HUGE project, something of the order

Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread carmen
I heard from someone at Ableton that one guy wrote the Live engine in about 3 months. yeah its not that complex. all you need is something that can play audio files realtime at varying pitches/speeds and apply FX chains, and a GUI to facilitate the arrangement and FX parameterization.. i was

Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Albert Graef
Lee Revell wrote: I heard from someone at Ableton that one guy wrote the Live engine in about 3 months. He must be a great hacker. :) But the engine is probably only a small part of the program. Getting the UI right is an entirely different issue. Albert -- Dr. Albert Graf Dept. of

Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Stinson
Nice work with that screenshot. The hard part is finding an engine that appears light-weight to the application code. The engine has to never xrun, and allow me to make calls like sound.set_tempo(140.0), sound.start_on_beat(2345), and channel.set_volume(.678) without worrying about threads.

Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] music engine

2006-04-06 Thread Lee Revell
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 14:07 -0800, Patrick Stinson wrote: BTW, I write for touchscreens, so I want an Ableton Live with big freakin widgets! Man, would it ever revolutionize live computer audio if touchscreens become cheap... Lee