Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed for, well, embedding. Correct. As plain text has no concept of a paragraph, using \n, \n\n, \r\n, \r\n\r\n, or any other convention for a paragraph is

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 06/25/2012 01:42 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed for, well, embedding. Correct. Good. But As plain text has no concept of a paragraph, Well, that really

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
Schachar, I before addressing the issue at hand, I would like to state an observation. When I reply to your mail, all text is of the same quote level. That is, there is a single gt at the beginning of each line, whether it is a line that you wrote or a line that I wrote. Obviously, I am replying

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:42:20 +0300 From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il [...] plain text has no concept of a paragraph [...] That's not true. The UBA explicitly defines a paragraph as chunk of text delimited by paragraph separator characters: Paragraphs

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 06/25/2012 06:21 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: Schachar, I before addressing the issue at hand, I would like to state an observation. When I reply to your mail, all text is of the same quote level. That is, there is a single gt at the beginning of each line, whether it is a line that you wrote or

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:19:01 +0300 From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il \r\n, \r\n\r\n, or any other convention for a paragraph is arbitrary. Technically true, but both irrelevant and misleading. Misleading because the choice of \n or \r\n was arbitrary,

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:21:25 +0300 From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il So we have established that sections of text separated by newlines are paragraphs. Let us return to the issue. In a plain text file, as defined above, there does exist a method by which

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:02:48 +0300 From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Therefore there is no need for HTML to send RTL emails, nor is there technical need for the email client to guess. Except there so no standard, de-facto or otherwise (as far as

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:06:14 +0300 From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il What the standard[1] suggests, but does not require, is the use of the first strong directional character in the paragraph. You are wrong, it does require that. See below. the

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 06/25/2012 08:13 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:02:48 +0300 From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Therefore there is no need for HTML to send RTL emails, nor is there technical need for the email client to guess. Except there so no

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:00:07 +0300 From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz CC: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il On 06/25/2012 08:13 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:02:48 +0300 From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Therefore there is no

Web gallery software

2012-06-25 Thread Mordechai Behar
Hi Does anybody know/use any good, open source software for hosting a gallery on a web server? Ideally it should be: - indexed - searchable - easy to browse/navigate - have author pages - links to the same artwork in several sizes - and of course have different functionality for

Re: Web gallery software

2012-06-25 Thread shimi
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Mordechai Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi Does anybody know/use any good, open source software for hosting a gallery on a web server? Ideally it should be: - indexed - searchable - easy to browse/navigate - have author pages

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support: I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed for, well, embedding. What the standard[1] suggests, but does not require, is the use of the first

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 06/25/2012 09:56 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: Outlook employs a higher level protocol. It is all paragraphs are LTR, unless the user presses CTRL+RIGHT SHIFT, in which case all paragraphs are RTL. It is a valid, standard conforming protocol Again, I think such an interpretation is against the

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 06/25/2012 11:22 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support: I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed for, well, embedding. What the standard[1] suggests, but

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:22:03 +0300 From: Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il On Mon, Jun 25, 2012, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support: I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed for, well,

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 04:12:01 +0300 From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz CC: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il On 06/25/2012 09:56 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: Outlook employs a higher level protocol. It is all paragraphs are LTR, unless the user presses CTRL+RIGHT SHIFT, in which case all

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 04:28:33 +0300 From: Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il no standard really specified what in a text file is a paragraph. And lucky for you that they don't. Even with the simple case of a plain text file, a paragraph is defined