Re: How dynamic is the dynamic IP from ISPs ? (Bezeq Int + HOT)

​If have your own domain, you can use CloudFlare as your NS service, and then you can use there API to update your zone/ip for your home. http://blog.rabin.io/sysadmin/dynamic-dns-cloudflare​ -- Rabin On 14 June 2016 at 11:47, Gabor Szabo wrote: > Thanks everyone. I see I

Re: How dynamic is the dynamic IP from ISPs ? (Bezeq Int + HOT)

Thanks everyone. I see I am probably way behind the current state of technology in ISP connectivity and routing. As far as I know, I am using a dialer which resides in the HotBox they gave me. (which is then connected to my own router) and if I am not mistaken this means it uses ppp to connect to

Re: How dynamic is the dynamic IP from ISPs ? (Bezeq Int + HOT)

On 06/13/2016 09:43 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > No NAT in the context of your question. Whether the IP address will be > routable is another issue altogether. Not quite, Carrier-grade NAT (CGNAT) [1] is used by some ISPs in Israel - CCC is one such example. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.or

Re: How dynamic is the dynamic IP from ISPs ? (Bezeq Int + HOT)

[I am with Hot, but not Bezeq Int. I don't believe it matters much.] Gabor Szabo writes: > So I was thinking on giving up the fixed IP and use some kind of > Dynamic DNS scheme to be able to access my home computer. Will I still > be able to do that? No problem with any

Re: How dynamic is the dynamic IP from ISPs ? (Bezeq Int + HOT)

On 13/06/2016 19:54, Gabor Szabo wrote: Hi there! For many years I had a fixed IP address using Bezeq International. I used it to access my home computer while on the road. I tried to upgrade from 30Mb to 100Mb (they even sold it to me) just to find out that they cannot configure 100 Mb if I

Re: How dynamic is the dynamic IP from ISPs ? (Bezeq Int + HOT)

On 06/13/2016 07:54 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote: Hi there! For many years I had a fixed IP address using Bezeq International. I used it to access my home computer while on the road. I tried to upgrade from 30Mb to 100Mb (they even sold it to me) just to find out that they cannot configure 100 Mb if

How dynamic is the dynamic IP from ISPs ? (Bezeq Int + HOT)

Hi there! For many years I had a fixed IP address using Bezeq International. I used it to access my home computer while on the road. I tried to upgrade from 30Mb to 100Mb (they even sold it to me) just to find out that they cannot configure 100 Mb if I use HOT as the cable and if I have a fixed

any recommendation for roaming ISPs (no NAT , ipsec , ssh pptp friendly).

Hi, I'm searching for a roaming ISP preferred using HSDPA or equivalent but not a must. I wish to be able to take my laptop and work for any urban area in IL (Non GushDan areas), already checked few ISPs but they failed to answer my needs (Pelehone Cellcom): Pelephone wasn't able to hold ipsec

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

On 03/07/11 08:28, Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 08:02, shimi linux...@shimi.net mailto:linux...@shimi.net wrote: If you want, prior to calling them, to combat them with their own weapon, thankfully there's a UDP protocol that probably no ISP would want to

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

Wienberg from TAU - http://www.eng.tau.ac.il/~udiw/papers/neutrality_miniconf.pdf In the presentation he gave, he showed several examples of traffic shaping, and the counter measures that ISPs take in order to prevent the clients from proving their traffic is shaped. One notorious measure

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

On Sun, Jul 03, 2011, geoffrey mendelson wrote about Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours: That's 10 years old. Even then it was questionable, UDP packets were dropped by ISPs all over the world when congested. That's why I worded The expected behavior is for the IP

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

We are all familiar with UDP vs. TCP tradeoff, but I think it is quite irrelevant in the context. The OP sees 50% packet loss through ISP#1 and zero packet loss through ISP#2. I do not think that one can claim that 50% loss is normal for UDP and the network works as designed. The upper TCP will be

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

to be at all like another. In the real world, such things are determined by how good the connection is from you to them, with several ISPs and different routes in between. Usually it means how well does your ISP's ISP connect to their ISP's ISP, or even multiple levels of ISPs. Then on top

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 08:25:27AM +0300, geoffrey mendelson wrote: HTTP was built around TCP because the designers wanted 100% reliablilty instead of (possible) better performance. FTP was built on neither. The FTP protocol uses UDP, but includes a rudimentry implementation of the same

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

by how good the connection is from you to them, with several ISPs and different routes in between. Usually it means how well does your ISP's ISP connect to their ISP's ISP, or even multiple levels of ISPs. No, Geoff, I am not missing that. What you are saying is that the 50% loss is over

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: FTP? TFTP? You're right, I think I confused the two. Regular FTP uses TCP. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge.

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

to give them a chance to fix their connectivity certainly has merit. For example, last night, I have redundant connectivity, with different methods of connecting to an ISP and two different ISPs. Last night a SKYPE call on one kept dropping, so I switched to the other, where it went on for an hour

UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

Hi, The company I work at uses openvpn extensively. We settled on UDP-based protocol as it is more effective than TCP based. Inter-Israeli VPN connection works perfectly all of the time, whereas international VPN has erratic behavior on at least one ISP. I suspect the ISP (XFone 018) dropping

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

It's probably due to their over commit, and it means your UDP packets are in queue until expired. Since Israeli ISPs has learned the trick, I tend to believe ICMP packets have high priority, so that no customer will be able to complain. When you can't complain, well, it means that the problem

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

On Jul 3, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, The company I work at uses openvpn extensively. We settled on UDP- based protocol as it is more effective than TCP based. Inter-Israeli VPN connection works perfectly all of the time, whereas international VPN has erratic behavior on

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:40 AM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, The company I work at uses openvpn extensively. We settled on UDP-based protocol as it is more effective than TCP based. Inter-Israeli VPN

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

On Jul 3, 2011, at 8:02 AM, shimi wrote: There's a very good reason of using UDP and not TCP for tunneling. http://sites.inka.de/bigred/devel/tcp-tcp.html That's 10 years old. Even then it was questionable, UDP packets were dropped by ISPs all over the world when congested. That's why I

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

Hi, On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 08:02, shimi linux...@shimi.net wrote: If you want, prior to calling them, to combat them with their own weapon, thankfully there's a UDP protocol that probably no ISP would want to degrade; Try switching to port 53 :-) I think that would not work as I observe

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

On Jul 3, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Arie Skliarouk wrote: I think that would not work as I observe frequent name server errors at exactly same periods (I am using Google's free DNS servers 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4). Hmm, need to switch to the local DNS servers... UDP is UDP. Google needs to have

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

That's 10 years old. Even then it was questionable, UDP packets were dropped by ISPs all over the world when congested. That's why I worded my answer the way I did. If you understand what the differences are between TCP and UDP, you understand the risks, costs and benefits. Not sure I

Re: UDP packets loss at Israeli ISPs during peak hours

2011/7/3 Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com Hi, On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 08:02, shimi linux...@shimi.net wrote: If you want, prior to calling them, to combat them with their own weapon, thankfully there's a UDP protocol that probably no ISP would want to degrade; Try switching to port 53 :-)

OT: Cellular ISPs?

Hi, First, I apologize for this not being directly linux-related, but it's come up before, so I thought it would be OK. Some time ago, there was some discussion about cellular ISP service and throttling of VoIP and/or torrent traffic. I have a customer of my VoIP company who recently

Re: OT: Cellular ISPs?

=printpage;topic=391122.0 someone mentions that I suggest you to move to either 014 who are OK for now, or move to one of the two new isps 018/ORANGE who are still new in the field and they didn't get to throttle bittorrent yet.. On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:59 AM, sammy ominsky s...@avoidant.org wrote

Re: ot: isps

. Cellular companies get their profits mostly I believe with telephony (the internet service in cellular is quite new). So Skype (or other voip applications) on a cellular device using internet is a real threat on their profits. Not all ISPs, on the other hand, deal with telephony, and most

Fwd: ot: isps

applications) on a cellular device using internet is a real threat on their profits. Not all ISPs, on the other hand, deal with telephony, and most of their profits are from internet services, I believe. If this is true, than around the globe, it seems that blocking VOIP traffic with DPI is more

Re: ot: isps

i want a new Internet connection for my home. Stay away from Netvision. While their network is the best in Israel when it works, their customer support is terrible, and after experiencing three days of downtime in January I moved to Bezeq Beinleumi. Netvision does not see three days of downtime

Re: ot: isps

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:34 PM, nir grinberg n...@grinberg.org wrote:  The current issue with the providers are the fact that their data network coverage is not similar to their GSM coverage.  in many locations you will be able to talk via GSM, but receive a very poor data connection. That's

Re: ot: isps

Hi, Skype is a different issue since it communicate via port 80, though need a much more advance management tools to be filtered (what's called Traffic shaping). Are you sure about it ? What do you mean by that ?? Does Skype send the **Audio** in ***TCP*** port 80 ?! Can TCP do the job for VOIP

Re: ot: isps

2009/4/23 Geoffrey Mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com: That's because there are three different networks involved here. Orange runs 3 networks. a 900mHz GSM (voice and data up to 14.4kbps if they allow it), 1800Mhz (voice, 14.4k data and higher speed data (GPRS?) ) and a 2.1gHz 3G network.

ot: isps

hi i want a new Internet connection for my home. first i thought of trying the cellular companies. any experience with them ? are they good ? i am still connected to bbl+hot. i experience problems in creating a connection. one of every 10 connections doesn't open, and i need to reload the page

Re: ot: isps

Hi Erez (and all)! On Tuesday 21 April 2009 11:10:48 Erez D wrote: hi i want a new Internet connection for my home. first i thought of trying the cellular companies. any experience with them ? are they good ? i am still connected to bbl+hot. i experience problems in creating a

Re: ot: isps

Try: http://speed.hot.net.il/script/DownloadSpeed.asp And check your effective bandwidth. Also check packet loss statistics with ping and/or hping. With this information you will be able to get decent support from bbl. # On Tuesday 21 April 2009, Erez D wrote: hi i want a new Internet

Re: ot: isps

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: Hi Erez (and all)! On Tuesday 21 April 2009 11:10:48 Erez D wrote: hi i want a new Internet connection for my home. first i thought of trying the cellular companies. any experience with them ? are they good ?

Re: ot: isps

i have no problems with download speed my ping is acting strange. it works for the first N icmps (N is a number between 30 and 150, changes every time), then it stops working. i spoke with bbl - they can find no problems although i (bbl+hot) and my mom (bbl+adsl) have the same problem On Tue,

Re: ot: isps

On Tuesday 21 April 2009 12:25:54 Erez D wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: Hi Erez (and all)! On Tuesday 21 April 2009 11:10:48 Erez D wrote: hi i want a new Internet connection for my home. first i thought of trying the cellular

Re: ot: isps

i found the following link: http://www.internet-2.org.il/%D7%93%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%92_%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%90%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%98%D7%A8%D7%A0%D7%98/ don't know how to regard the results though ... On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Geoffrey Mendelson

Re: ot: isps

btw, disabling ipv6 didn't help either On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: On Tuesday 21 April 2009 12:25:54 Erez D wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: Hi Erez (and all)! On Tuesday 21 April 2009

: ot: isps

2009/4/21 Erez D erez0...@gmail.com: hi i want a new Internet connection for my home. first i thought of trying the cellular companies. any experience with them ? are they good ? Going back to your original question, Orange has a 5g a month limit, which IMHO is worthless. I don't think they

Re: ot: isps

and now direct connection without those issues). * I am unable to use Bitorrent these days. This is new thing for me - maybe a week or two and very annoying. AFAIK, and unfortunately, this also almost common practice for Israeli ISPs these days: http://shimi.net/2008/07/28/et-tu-bezeqint/ Boaz

Re: ot: isps

Hi, first i thought of trying the cellular companies. any experience with them ? are they I have a question regarding the cellular companies internet service: I heard that some cellular companies installed a blocking mechansim for their intenet clients which is called DPI. see:

Re: ot: isps

Rafi Gordon rafigor...@gmail.com writes: I heard that some cellular companies installed a blocking mechansim for their intenet clients which is called DPI. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dpi And choose Deep Packet Inspection from the options... ;-) AFAIK, this DPI can block voip

Re: ot: isps

On Apr 21, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: If one uses Skype over GPRS then the cell phone company can do DPI, I suppose. They do get paid for GPRS usage, but a lot of it may be flat rate. In Israel free Wi-Fi is common enough so using GPRS does not make much sense in the first

Re: ot: isps

Time to use traceroute to find the dropping node. I'd go for mtr hostname Note that some network components are dropping pings directed to them, but the nodes located after these will still show 0% packet loss. # On Tuesday 21 April 2009, Erez D wrote: i have no problems with download speed

Bezeq Beinleumi vs. other ISPs

Reminds me of my experience with Bezeq Beinleumi as a former Actcom customer. Bezeq Beinleumi assimilated Actcom exactly when my yearly contract with Actcom ended and needed to be renewed. Being deaf, I contacted Bezeq Beinleumi by E-mail and asked for details on their plans and fees - and they

Re: IPv6 support by ISPs - current status? (was: Re: Links and some info about IPv6 in Linux lecture in Herzelinux yesterday)

Hi, What is the status of IPv6 in Israel? Does any of the ISP provide it? To ATM or ADSL customers? According to http://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=native there appears more and more IPv6 aware ISPs, but nothing in Israel. Should firewall builders start bother with filtering IPv6

Re: IPv6 support by ISPs - current status? (was: Re: Links and some info about IPv6 in Linux lecture in Herzelinux yesterday)

there appears more and more IPv6 aware ISPs, but nothing in Israel. Should firewall builders start bother with filtering IPv6 traffic ( http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/622)? -- Arie

Re: ISPs

On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 09:15:24PM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote: Thanks for the pointer. This could be useful though after a week away from my home 3G network and being mostly dependent either on 3G roaming (I'm still worried what the bill is going to be like) or non-free WiFi, it might be a

Re: ISPs

2008/11/5 Imri Zvik [EMAIL PROTECTED]: FYI, All the Paz/Yellow gas stations provide _free_ WIFI access. They have a decent coverage, especially in the center/Sharon area. http://www.paz.co.il/stations.asp Thanks for the pointer. This could be useful though after a week away from my home 3G

Re: ISPs

2008/11/9 Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't know where you were, or where you were calling to, but often you can find free wifi by asking people if their neighbors have the Internet and asking them to let you use it. I didn't have this option where I travelled last week. We were

IPv6 support by ISPs - current status? (was: Re: Links and some info about IPv6 in Linux lecture in Herzelinux yesterday)

On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 01:14 +0200, Rami Rosen wrote: Hello, As I promised, here are some links and some additional info about IPv6 in Linux lecture, which was given in Herzelinux yesterday (6.11.08) by me: [... snipped ...] Few subjects, which I understand were not covered by the lecture

Re: ISPs

2008/10/29 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am not against profit. But there is a limit to the greediness. To block VOIP in cellular phones is evil. Evil is when they are hurting someone. Blocking VOIP does not hurt anyone. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il

Re: ISPs

I happen to disagree with you, but I won't enter into such a war. 2008/10/31 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/10/29 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am not against profit. But there is a limit to the greediness. To block VOIP in cellular phones is evil. Evil is when they are hurting

Re: ISPs

Why not use free hotspots? Orange and cellcom are not so cheap. In Haifa, Jerusalem there are free hotspots. I saw on TV about bzeek. See this link http://www.bzeek.com/ Looks promissing, but I didn't check it. On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/10/29

Re: ISPs

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:12 AM, sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not use free hotspots? Orange and cellcom are not so cheap. In Haifa, Jerusalem there are free hotspots. I saw on TV about bzeek. See this link http://www.bzeek.com/ Looks promissing, but I didn't check it. bzeek seems

Re: ISPs

2008/10/29 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why not use free hotspots? Orange and cellcom are not so cheap. In Haifa, Jerusalem there are free hotspots. I saw on TV about bzeek. See this link http://www.bzeek.com/ Looks promissing, but I didn't check it. 1. Would these free hotspots be avaiable

Re: ISPs

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/10/29 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why not use free hotspots? Orange and cellcom are not so cheap. In Haifa, Jerusalem there are free hotspots. I saw on TV about bzeek. See this link http://www.bzeek.com/ Looks

Re: ISPs

2008/10/30 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are some web sites that provide information where wifi free hotspots can be found per country/city. http://compnetworking.about.com/od/wireless/tp/wifihotspotfind.htm Thanks for the pointer. Orange/cellcom is crap. You share the speed with

Re: ISPs

Orange/cellcom is crap. You share the speed with others. Don't know about prices, you will have to call them. But I read a technical article about it ~1 month ago. I think it was in globes or the marker about the technology. Thanks. That's a shame. Weird that a country which has IT as

Re: ISPs

sara fink wrote: I will be more blunt. It's money issue. They want max profit. You make it sound like it's a bad thing. Companies wanting to maximize their profit is what drives our economy. The problem here is that they want to maximize their profits by hindering competition, which is

Re: ISPs

2008/10/30 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I will be more blunt. It's money issue. They want max profit. I'm not a business genius but I just remember what a tiny company Pelephone were when they were the only game in town and were addressing the top percentile of population until Cellcom came,

Re: ISPs

Hi, sara fink wrote: 3. How much is not cheap about Orange/Cellcom? Do they provide pre-paid data plans? So far I couldn't find such an offer through Orange's or Cellcom's web sites (at least they manage to display something on Debian/Firefox). Orange/cellcom is crap. You

Re: ISPs

Actually, I'm a very happy Cellcom users. Enough so that in the first time since the previous century I actually disconnected the Internet connection to my home, since the cellular one works so nicely and is cheap, in my eyes. how much you pay? And they don't really block VoIP -, it just

Re: ISPs

I think the same stupid rational happens here - they don't realise that by reducing prices they'll be able to address a much wider audience where the product (lower price x more subscribers) is larger than (higher price x less subscribers). That's true. They use other dirty techniques as

Re: ISPs

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: sara fink wrote: I will be more blunt. It's money issue. They want max profit. You make it sound like it's a bad thing. Companies wanting to maximize their profit is what drives our economy. I am not against

ISPs

access have to pay more to get it. Are there any other ISPs? Our Bezeq contract is up on Thursday so this is a bit urgent. Geoff. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g

Re: ISPs

that those who are serious about net access have to pay more to get it. Are there any other ISPs? Our Bezeq contract is up on Thursday so this is a bit urgent. Geoff. There was a great ISP called Actcom until last year when Bezeq purchased it. Talk to Bezeq and see if you can get the level

Re: ISPs

actually don't use them. Are there any other ISPs? Our Bezeq contract is up on Thursday so this is a bit urgent. BYNET. I understand they have a home division www.qos.co.il. Orange and Cell-Com both have good performance for their cellular USB modems. Orange is cheaper but capped at 5g per

Re: ISPs

we feel is too expensive. It's our feeling that Bezeq cripple their regular package so that those who are serious about net access have to pay more to get it. Are there any other ISPs? Our Bezeq contract is up on Thursday so this is a bit urgent. Geoff

Re: ISPs

2008/10/29 Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Orange and Cell-Com both have good performance for their cellular USB modems. Orange is cheaper but capped at 5g per month. Seizing on this opportunity to ask this - does any mobile provider in Israel offer pre-paid data service worth its

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

[This is not really a reply to the previous message - I just wanted to keep the thread id] Update on Actcom status, specifically the tech support issue. I had to call Actcom tech support yesterday, complaining that my DSL connection doesn't work, eventually I found out that the issue was a

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Quoting Oded Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To sum, the tech support still operates behind Actcom's toll free number (which AFAIK is the only toll free internet support line in Israel), and still seems clueful about Linux. I don't know about the commercial side (my current contract expires on

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Oded Arbel wrote: [This is not really a reply to the previous message - I just wanted to keep the thread id] Update on Actcom status, specifically the tech support issue. I had to call Actcom tech support yesterday, complaining that my DSL connection doesn't work, eventually I found out that

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

In the US, I worked for a local computer store - it basically had all the Jewish Community's business - Anyway, one room of the store was an ISP - It was 2 racks - one for servers, the other for network. Server rack had COTS desktops running BSD (I think) - 2 * (mail, DNS, RADIUS,News) servers

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 09:34:17AM +0300, Mike Tewner wrote: ISP'ing, at least in the US *can* be done on a smallish scale - on the order of a few hundred customers. But not in Israel. Things are much different here. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Mon, Jul 09, 2007, Mike Tewner wrote about Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs: My point is that the whole operation was one room - those 2 racks and 3 desks covering phone support and sys admins. ISP'ing, at least in the US *can* be done on a smallish scale - on the order

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 10:36:02AM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: From my dealings with my ISP, using HOT's cable, I understand that they have very close (although not quite perfect, to say the least) connections to HOT and need to transfer configuration files, and need their help to debug some of

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 09:34:17AM +0300, Mike Tewner wrote: ISP'ing, at least in the US *can* be done on a smallish scale - on the order of a few hundred customers. But not in Israel. Things are much different here. Geoff. It's done in Israel

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 03:34:02PM +0300, David Smith wrote: (...) perhaps now is a time to consider an alternative possibility - a community ISP. I like the idea; I wouldn't actively participate myself because I don't live in Israel, but if it is n00b-friendly enough, I'd push my family to it

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Here is a suggestion for us all: Since the only ISP with serious Linux support has now been chewed up by a larger fish, perhaps now is a time to consider an alternative possibility - a community ISP. One business model would be to function as a cooperative - the shareholders are all employees

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Hi, Starting an ISP costs quite a lot. You'll need to purchase servers, lots and lots of bandwidth, hire support staff, sales, administrative etc. Although servers are 1 time payment, the other stuff costs a lot, monthly, specially for the bandwidth here in Israel. Thanks, Hetz On 7/8/07,

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007, David Smith wrote about Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs: Since the only ISP with serious Linux support has now been chewed up by a larger fish, perhaps now is a time to consider an alternative possibility - a community ISP. One business model would

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Idan On 7/8/07, Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 08, 2007, David Smith wrote about Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs: Since the only ISP with serious Linux support has now been chewed up by a larger fish, perhaps now is a time to consider an alternative

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007, Ori Idan wrote about Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs: Or a better way, to establish a group of people that will get paid for supporting people for connecting their computers to any ISP with Linux. This idea might just work. With a bit of asterisk wizardry

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

(or more) of the ISPs to develop an offer of better quality support in exchange for surcharge. 2. Recruit Actcom's former employees to provide the extra support - number of supporters and coverage to depend upon demand for the better quality support. The support group should be reachable by regular

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 04:47:06PM +0300, Ori Idan wrote: Or a better way, to establish a group of people that will get paid for supporting people for connecting their computers to any ISP with Linux. This to me makes no sense at all. For less than the cost of round trip bus fare per month,

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 05:18:55PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: This idea might just work. With a bit of asterisk wizardry, you can run such a support business from your bedroom, or operated by students on their free time. Reminds me of Thomas Friedman's story in The World is Flat, about

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Quoting Ori Idan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I guess that what bothers is the Linux support from the ISP. It would be easier to take the guides we have today, update them and redistribute it. Or a better way, to establish a group of people that will get paid for supporting people for connecting their

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote about Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs: My dream is somewhat differet. My dream is that there would be a Linux- friendly computer shop, where I could come in, and every computer would come (if you want) pre-installed with Linux

Re: Current status of Israeli ISPs

had business grade support via my employer for the last several years, with two big ISPs that don't enjoy a stellar reputation on this list. In my experience, the support was quite good and on no occasion the support person ever blinked when I said, Linux. FWIW, when I contacted Actcom a few years

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

A Linux shop does exist. A few months ago a couple of guys opened one in Jerusalem: http://rootpcs.com If I understand correctly, in order to set up an small ISP, the following infrastructure would be needed: A connection to at least one bigger ISP, and preferably also to IIX. A server to

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 08:01:50PM +0300, David Smith wrote: If I understand correctly, in order to set up an small ISP, the following infrastructure would be needed: A connection to at least one bigger ISP, and preferably also to IIX. A server to handle DNS/mail/accounting etc and possibly

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

On 09/07/07, Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 08:01:50PM +0300, David Smith wrote: If I understand correctly, in order to set up an small ISP, the following infrastructure would be needed: A connection to at least one bigger ISP, and preferably also to

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Amit Aronovitch: - Uses Netvision. Netvision seems to have a single Linux support person. It is easier to re-create the problem using a MS-Windows laptop and report the error messages displayed by MS-Windows.

[SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Dotan Cohen: - Actcom. - Last time I called them with a problem was few weeks ago, and at the time all seemed normal. - If there is no Linux support anymore at Actcom, what must one do to connect via a Jordanian ISP? Asaf Halili and Geoffrey S. Mendelson: - Actcom was sold to Bezeq

Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Amit Aronovitch: - Uses Netvision. Netvision seems to have a single Linux support person. It is easier to re-create the problem using a MS-Windows laptop and report the error messages displayed by MS-Windows. Sorry for being late to the game.

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