Re: MF vs. LAMP - orthogonal to closed vs. Free (was: Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?)

2005-06-30 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005, Omer Zak wrote about MF vs. LAMP - orthogonal to closed vs. Free (was: Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?): Nowadays, IBM is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) supporters of Linux developments

Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?

2005-06-30 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Nzer Zaidenberg wrote: but its worth noting that if you will act as you act (espcially at your age) you will be treated as a less then progessional person. more so, you give other open source advocates like me bad reputation Nzer, I stayed out of the argument up till now, because I really

Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?

2005-06-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Nadav Har'El wrote: Actually, sadly, he almost convinced me. Indeed, imagine a market where you can sell your software to 100 installation, for a price of $100,000 each (just making numbers up). That's all great, but how do you get more income after that? Most companies like to get more money

Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?

2005-06-29 Thread Nzer Zaidenberg
--0-70147-1120040360=:76647 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Oron, While I do appriciate the buisness advice, I prefer to receive buisness advice from paid consultants who know what I am doing. Giving me a advice without knowing what i am

Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?

2005-06-29 Thread Oron Peled
On Wednesday 29 June 2005 13:19, Nzer Zaidenberg wrote: While I do appriciate the buisness advice, ... ...we operate in financial segements with banks and mainframes. As someone who used Rexx on a mainframe circa 1984 (CMS/3 IIRC) I'll try to ignore your patronizing attitude and boasting about

Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?

2005-06-29 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005, Oron Peled wrote about Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?: Good. Than the binary/source issue (as a protection measure) is moot. ... Not like it? On the contrary, you describe an industry that use mostly custom

Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?

2005-06-29 Thread Oded Arbel
On Wednesday, 29 בJune 2005 18:44, Nadav Har'El wrote: In this situation, if his software was open source - even in the sense that the source was available to the customer - the customer could have hired someone to improve the software instead of buying a new version - and that scares a

Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?

2005-06-29 Thread Omer Zak
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 18:44 +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2005, Oron Peled wrote about Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?: Good. Than the binary/source issue (as a protection measure) is moot. ... Not like

Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?

2005-06-29 Thread Nzer Zaidenberg
Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?: Good. Than the binary/source issue (as a protection measure) is moot. ... Not like it? On the contrary, you describe an industry that use mostly custom made solution (no shrink wrap CompUSA type

Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?

2005-06-29 Thread Oron Peled
On Wednesday 29 June 2005 19:17, Omer Zak wrote: This looks to me like Oron is not recognizing the full value of his services. Bzzzt, Omer you mixed me up withNzer Zaidenberg to whom me (and Nadav) replied in this thread. Other than that, what you wrote seem very valid to me. Bye, --

Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?

2005-06-29 Thread Oron Peled
On Wednesday 29 June 2005 18:44, Nadav Har'El wrote: ... if customers are allowed to pay only for the features and fixes they really need. Instead, you want to sell new versions of the entire software, for a lot of money. True. FOSS allows customers to pay for what they really need instead of

Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?

2005-06-29 Thread Omer Zak
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 23:34 +0300, Oron Peled wrote: On Wednesday 29 June 2005 19:17, Omer Zak wrote: This looks to me like Oron is not recognizing the full value of his services. Bzzzt, Omer you mixed me up with Nzer Zaidenberg to whom me (and Nadav) replied in this thread. I stand

MF vs. LAMP - orthogonal to closed vs. Free (was: Re: Off topic - open vs. closed sources Re: compiling expect sources or easy to use c++ engine?)

2005-06-29 Thread Omer Zak
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 13:14 -0700, Nzer Zaidenberg wrote: thanks for the support ;-) though it seems like i started a troll. Now it does feel to me like a troll. However, I have some left-over food for you trolls, welcome to it. Yes I mennt that if you give the source you cannot charge when