Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-10-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Arie, (Disclosure: I work for Openmoko) Many people have purchased from Koolu with fine results. We also have vendors in Europe which might be closer for you. You are welcome to join the Openmoko community mailing list where you can ask these questions. We have many Israeli participants.

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-09-28 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Hi, The phone (Israeli - suitable 900MHz model) is not available from the primary site, but can be bought from koolu.com website (albeit with different distribution in firmware). http://shop.koolu.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=5products_id=6 The site is official reseller of

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-10 Thread Amos Shapira
(Sorry Shachar, sent it to you in private by mistake) 2008/7/6 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From memory, so please verify, but as far as I remember, the Neo is tri-band, working with 900 and 1800MHz, with some models carrying the 1900MHz as a third band and others the 850MHz. Orange uses

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-10 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 03:59:42PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: GSM * Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz) So I wonder why OpenMoko couldn't do this. Cost? Actually the phone is really just 2 band, the 800/900 and 1800/1900 mHz bands are close enough for modern technology to be the same.

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/7/10 Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: An interesting (to me) discussion, probably not for this list, would be exactly how open a cell phone could be and still get regulatory approval. It is very relevant to this list, and I've wondered the same thing myself. Radio transmitters

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-10 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/7/10 Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: An interesting (to me) discussion, probably not for this list, would be exactly how open a cell phone could be and still get regulatory approval. It is very relevant to this list, and I've wondered the same thing myself.

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-10 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 03:42:28PM +0300, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: AFAIK, actual RF communication is done on a separate chip which runs a propritery firmware. It is governed by a small user space daemon on the main Linux running chip and it is NOT open source, but is the only component

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-10 Thread michael shiloh
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Amos Shapira wrote: (Sorry Shachar, sent it to you in private by mistake) 2008/7/6 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From memory, so please verify, but as far as I remember, the Neo is tri-band, working with 900 and 1800MHz, with some models carrying the 1900MHz as a

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-10 Thread michael shiloh
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: An interesting (to me) discussion, probably not for this list, would be exactly how open a cell phone could be and still get regulatory approval. Geoff. I can answer that. I hinted at it in my previous email. The guideline we followed

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-10 Thread michael shiloh
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/7/10 Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: An interesting (to me) discussion, probably not for this list, would be exactly how open a cell phone could be and still get regulatory approval. It is very relevant to this

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/7/10 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: An interesting (to me) discussion, probably not for this list, would be exactly how open a cell phone could be and still get regulatory approval. Geoff. I can answer that. I hinted at it in my previous email. The guideline we followed was RMS's

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-09 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Finally they put clarification on the on-line shop: http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner Sold Out? 900Mhz variant stock is due on on july 15th -- Arie On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 20:02, michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! Thanks for the great information. Mind if I quote

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-07 Thread Amos Shapira
2008/7/7 Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The idea persisted, for example it was illegal to bring an Israeli cell phone into Egypt until a few years ago. I have no idea what they did if there was one built into your car and you drove there. Thanks for the historic overview. Very

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-07 Thread Dotan Cohen
Is the difference between the 850 and 900 models hardware (ie, different anteneas) or software (programmed to use different frequencies)? Can one be converted to the other? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A:

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-07 Thread michael shiloh
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 23:54, michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Disclosure: I work for Openmoko On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band version is sold out with only 850MHz version available. .. If

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-07 Thread michael shiloh
Wow! Thanks for the great information. Mind if I quote this on my blog (with proper credit)? This is good reference material. Michael KA6RCQ On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 01:54:15PM -0700, michael shiloh wrote: The Neo Freerunner is tri-band

OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-06 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Hi, On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band version is sold out with only 850MHz version available. Someone told me that Orange and Cellcom mainly use 900MHz band, with few areas where Cellcom provides 850MHz coverage. Thus, 850MHz version of OpenMoko turns to be

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-06 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band version is sold out with only 850MHz version available. Someone told me that Orange and Cellcom mainly use 900MHz band, with few areas where Cellcom provides 850MHz coverage. Thus, 850MHz

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-06 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band version is sold out with only 850MHz version available. Someone told me that Orange and Cellcom mainly use 900MHz band, with few areas where Cellcom provides 850MHz

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-06 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Who is selling? - yba On Sun, 6 Jul 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:15:12 +0300 From: Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arie Skliarouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: IGLU Mailing list linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning Shachar Shemesh wrote

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-06 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 09:45:10AM +0300, Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band version is sold out with only 850MHz version available. Someone told me that Orange and Cellcom mainly use 900MHz band, with few areas where Cellcom

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-06 Thread michael shiloh
Disclosure: I work for Openmoko On Sun, 6 Jul 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band version is sold out with only 850MHz version available. Someone told me that Orange and Cellcom mainly use 900MHz

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-06 Thread Amos Shapira
2008/7/7 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Neo Freerunner is tri-band available in two versions: The so-called 850 MHz version supports 850MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz The so-called 900 MHz version supports 900MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz As you can see, both version support

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-06 Thread michael shiloh
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Amos Shapira wrote: 2008/7/7 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Neo Freerunner is tri-band available in two versions: The so-called 850 MHz version supports 850MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz The so-called 900 MHz version supports 900MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-06 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Hi, On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 23:54, michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Disclosure: I work for Openmoko On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band version is sold out with only 850MHz version available. .. If Orange uses 900 MHz as Shachar says, you should

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

2008-07-06 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 01:54:15PM -0700, michael shiloh wrote: The Neo Freerunner is tri-band available in two versions: The so-called 850 MHz version supports 850MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz The so-called 900 MHz version supports 900MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz As you can see, both