Re: SOLVED: Slow Linux response during disk operations (was: Testing on various computers needed)

2003-06-16 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote about Re: SOLVED: Slow Linux response during disk operations (was: Testing on various computers needed): On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 10:13:47PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: (a while ago I gave on this list, or perhaps hackers-il, an example of a nasty

Re: SOLVED: Slow Linux response during disk operations (was: Testing on various computers needed)

2003-06-16 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 11:56:01AM +0300, guy keren wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: Sorry for not reading it (apparently wasn't here, maybe hackers-il, but google doesn't find it), but what I usually do is kill -STOP all of them, and only then kill

Re: SOLVED: Slow Linux response during disk operations (was: Testing on various computers needed)

2003-06-15 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 09:01:07PM +0300, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: the system gets completely stuck for a few seconds. Increasing the number increases the stuck time. Isn't a unix suppossed to protect users from such DOS attacks in some way (just checked, executing it from another user has

Re: SOLVED: Slow Linux response during disk operations (was: Testing on various computers needed)

2003-06-15 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote about Re: SOLVED: Slow Linux response during disk operations (was: Testing on various computers needed): Another question: fork bombs. I think this was much worse a few years ago but still, when I do:: perl -e 'for $i (1..15) { fork

Re: SOLVED: Slow Linux response during disk operations (was: Testing on various computers needed)

2003-06-15 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 10:13:47PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote about Re: SOLVED: Slow Linux response during disk operations (was: Testing on various computers needed): Another question: fork bombs. I think this was much worse a few years ago

Re: Testing on various computers needed

2003-06-13 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003, Ilya Konstantinov wrote about Re: Testing on various computers needed: 2. time dd if=/dev/zero of=foo says: real0m10.449s user0m0.260s sys 0m4.080s How come real (wall clock) time is so much higher than user+sys combined? This is simple - the disk can't

Re: Testing on various computers needed

2003-06-13 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote about Re: Testing on various computers needed: On Fri, Jun 13, 2003, Ilya Konstantinov wrote about Re: Testing on various computers needed: How come real (wall clock) time is so much higher than user+sys combined? This is simple - the disk can't

My own tests (was: Testing on various computers needed)

2003-06-13 Thread Eli Billauer
Hello again, Either most of you don't believe me, or you don't think that a Linux box getting stuck is so serious. I have gotten some responses, some in private, with the same experiences. Someone mentioned going to a coffee break when a large file is being untarred (I do the same). And I ask

Re: My own tests (was: Testing on various computers needed)

2003-06-13 Thread Eli Billauer
Hello again, As usual, it's me answering my own questions. The very slow perfomance of the hard disk under Linux caused me to reconsider the DMA issue again. I also found that others have been discussing this:

Re: My own tests (was: Testing on various computers needed)

2003-06-13 Thread Gilboa Davara
All my file servers at work (and at home) are Linux based... some are even using the same RH version you are using (7.3). (I'm too lazy to reboot them in-order to upgrade them to 9.0...) Moving GB size files is something I do on a daily basis and I've yet to see what you describe. (And my main

Re: My own tests (was: Testing on various computers needed)

2003-06-13 Thread Eli Billauer
I'm not saying that you're wrong, I am saying that before you start a 'Linux sucks' advocacy thread, one would suggest that you start by reading more about the IDE controller that you are using (Intel chipset?) and the kernel support it has in 2.4.18. Suppose that upgrading the kernel will

Re: My own tests (was: Testing on various computers needed)

2003-06-13 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:36:51PM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote: Hello again, Either most of you don't believe me, or you don't think that a Linux box getting stuck is so serious. I have gotten some responses, some in private, with the same experiences. Someone mentioned going to a coffee

Testing on various computers needed

2003-06-12 Thread Eli Billauer
Hello all, I have addressed this issue in the past, but never got to really solve this. And it's annoying me again. I'm running RH7.3, with a 2.4.18-3 from-the-box kernel, which in my opinion doesn't meet a basic requirement to be called a multi-user or multitask OS. The thing is, that when

Re: Testing on various computers needed

2003-06-12 Thread Moshe Kaminsky
Hi, I just tried it. It happens here as well. I have Mandrake 9.1, kernel 2.4.21. Moshe + Eli Billauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12/06/03 22:17]: Hello all, I have addressed this issue in the past, but never got to really solve this. And it's annoying me again. I'm running RH7.3, with a

Re: Testing on various computers needed

2003-06-12 Thread Ely Levy
are you trying it on the same disk your system is on? couldn't it just be the fact reading becomes much slower when write into the disk like that? btw you forgot to mention what sort of file system type it is I guess journaling file systems would behave diffrently from those which isn't? not sure

Re: Testing on various computers needed

2003-06-12 Thread Eli Billauer
Ely Levy wrote: are you trying it on the same disk your system is on? couldn't it just be the fact reading becomes much slower when write into the disk like that? Even if that was true, it's no excuse to get stuck. And no, it's not the reading getting slower. I'm talking about slow echo

Re: Testing on various computers needed

2003-06-12 Thread Moshe Kaminsky
+ Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13/06/03 00:59]: are you trying it on the same disk your system is on? Yes couldn't it just be the fact reading becomes much slower when write into the disk like that? I guess Eli would say it's not supposed to happen either. btw you forgot to mention what

Re: Testing on various computers needed

2003-06-12 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:04:32AM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote: Ely Levy wrote: are you trying it on the same disk your system is on? couldn't it just be the fact reading becomes much slower when write into the disk like that? Even if that was true, it's no excuse to get stuck. And

Re: Testing on various computers needed

2003-06-12 Thread Eli Billauer
What CPU (and other hardware) do you have? Modern and fast IDE disks, with their (comparatively) primitive controller, cause high CPU load. I'm with a 1.7 GHz Celeron on an Intel motherboard. 256MB of RAM, almost never swapping. A rather new hard disk. But even if the IDE controller is a

Re: Testing on various computers needed

2003-06-12 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Thursday 12 June 2003 22:41, Eli Billauer wrote: The thing is, that when I go (as a simple user, not root) cat /dev/zero /junk/junkfile the system responds very slowly after a couple of seconds, even to the root user. The file grows quickly, yes, but I don't think that any multiuser