[Lubuntu-desktop] I: Lsc 55

2011-09-25 Thread eco.st...@fastwebnet.it
Hi everybody, i was just thinking about the use of a sort of 'notebook' 
for the Get/Installed software and the apps basket.
this is the mockup of the elementary app center -http://elementaryositde
v.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/appcenterfront1.png -, look at the second 
'toolbar' (with Get New Apps, Installed Apps...)
i think it could be a good solution to focus the attention on the apps l
ist and so on.
then we can also add the clean section to this toolbar, so a new user wi
ll think: Ok, this is a notebook bar, when i choose a page i'll jump di
rectly to it
please let me know what you think.

Regards

Stephen Smally


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] I: Lsc 55

2011-09-25 Thread Stefano
Right, remove the first '-'

 
 Bad URL dude


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] I: Lsc 55

2011-09-25 Thread A. Andjelkovic
I believe we should keep it simple and small, we have keep in mind
that we have users with old computers (with old monitors?) and small
laptops (ultra-/notebooks).
Big images and screenshots will make the app frustrating to use, we
need to be careful how and when we use them, else we might ruin the
LSC experience for our users.

Here is a very quick mockup[1], but it gives you an idea how I visualize LSC.

Regards,
Alex.

[1]: http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman02/e759675f_quickLSCmockup.png

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 Right, remove the first '-'


 Bad URL dude


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Light mockup 2

2011-09-25 Thread Stefano
excusme, this is the right mockup
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Light mockup 2

2011-09-25 Thread Phill Whiteside
looks nice and clean to me :)

Regards,

Phill.

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 excusme, this is the right mockup

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 2 released

2011-09-25 Thread Ali Linx
Hi Julien and everyone,

I have decided to download and install Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 and test it on
my Two PCs (P4 each but one with 2GB and the other with 512MB RAM but I
decided to use only 256MB RAM for this test).

I'm done with the installation on PC1 and will install it later on PC2. I'm
writing this from Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 and so far I'm happy with it :)

Two Qs:

1) If I want to send my notes regarding my tests, can I do that here on this
email? or start a new one and send it to lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net??

2) Where is Lubuntu Software Center? can't find it??!!

Thanks!



On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

  Hi,

 Following the announce for Ubuntu, Lubuntu Beta 2 is also available for
 testing. You can find it on
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-1/
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-2/

 A quick summary of important changes since Beta 1 :
 * Bug fixes.


 Know issues :
  * Include apt-xapian-index : http://pad.lv/798437
  * Installer require 4.6 Gb of free space : http://pad.lv/819538
  * Ubiquity broken icon switcher : http://pad.lv/830898
  * Update icons on desktop for persitent mode broken :
 http://pad.lv/837470
  * Firefox locales installed : http://pad.lv/820056
  * Fallback icons on notification area broken : http://pad.lv/819542 and
 http://pad.lv/820080
  * Not able to install virtualbox drivers after installation from desktop
 ISO : http://pad.lv/854995
  * Entries with Lubuntu are not translated on the boot menu on any
 Lubuntu ISO : http://pad.lv/855977


 Happy testing

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 2 released

2011-09-25 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Ali,

to get LSC, you need to add the lubuntu-desktop ppa. *
http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu oneiric *to your
repositry. Now, if like me, the gpg key fails manually add it using the
instructions at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/KeyServerInformationOnce
you refresh Synaptics, lubuntu-software-center will be available to
you
:)

Regards,

Phill.

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Julien and everyone,

 I have decided to download and install Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 and test it on
 my Two PCs (P4 each but one with 2GB and the other with 512MB RAM but I
 decided to use only 256MB RAM for this test).

 I'm done with the installation on PC1 and will install it later on PC2. I'm
 writing this from Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 and so far I'm happy with it :)

 Two Qs:

 1) If I want to send my notes regarding my tests, can I do that here on
 this email? or start a new one and send it to
 lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net ??

 2) Where is Lubuntu Software Center? can't find it??!!

 Thanks!



 On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

  Hi,

 Following the announce for Ubuntu, Lubuntu Beta 2 is also available for
 testing. You can find it on
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-1/
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-2/

 A quick summary of important changes since Beta 1 :
 * Bug fixes.


 Know issues :
  * Include apt-xapian-index : http://pad.lv/798437
  * Installer require 4.6 Gb of free space : http://pad.lv/819538
  * Ubiquity broken icon switcher : http://pad.lv/830898
  * Update icons on desktop for persitent mode broken :
 http://pad.lv/837470
  * Firefox locales installed : http://pad.lv/820056
  * Fallback icons on notification area broken : http://pad.lv/819542 and
 http://pad.lv/820080
  * Not able to install virtualbox drivers after installation from desktop
 ISO : http://pad.lv/854995
  * Entries with Lubuntu are not translated on the boot menu on any
 Lubuntu ISO : http://pad.lv/855977


 Happy testing

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 2 released

2011-09-25 Thread Ali Linx
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install lubuntu-software-center

Done :)

I prefer to use The Terminal but sometimes use Synaptic. Software Center
never was or will be my cup of tea. However, for the sake of testing, I'll
do my best to report any error or bug :)

Thanks Phill.

@Julien: Still waiting for your green-light to send my notes :)

I'm having some hard time with 256MB of RAM but I'm doing that purposely ;)
I want to see how Lubuntu will work on such low RAM.



On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi Ali,

 to get LSC, you need to add the lubuntu-desktop ppa. *
 http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/ppa/ubuntu oneiric *to your
 repositry. Now, if like me, the gpg key fails manually add it using the
 instructions at
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/KeyServerInformationOnce
  you refresh Synaptics, lubuntu-software-center will be available to you
 :)

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Julien and everyone,

 I have decided to download and install Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 and test it on
 my Two PCs (P4 each but one with 2GB and the other with 512MB RAM but I
 decided to use only 256MB RAM for this test).

 I'm done with the installation on PC1 and will install it later on PC2.
 I'm writing this from Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 and so far I'm happy with it :)

 Two Qs:

 1) If I want to send my notes regarding my tests, can I do that here on
 this email? or start a new one and send it to
 lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net ??

 2) Where is Lubuntu Software Center? can't find it??!!

 Thanks!



 On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.comwrote:

  Hi,

 Following the announce for Ubuntu, Lubuntu Beta 2 is also available for
 testing. You can find it on
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-1/
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-2/

 A quick summary of important changes since Beta 1 :
 * Bug fixes.


 Know issues :
  * Include apt-xapian-index : http://pad.lv/798437
  * Installer require 4.6 Gb of free space : http://pad.lv/819538
  * Ubiquity broken icon switcher : http://pad.lv/830898
  * Update icons on desktop for persitent mode broken :
 http://pad.lv/837470
  * Firefox locales installed : http://pad.lv/820056
  * Fallback icons on notification area broken : http://pad.lv/819542 and
 http://pad.lv/820080
  * Not able to install virtualbox drivers after installation from desktop
 ISO : http://pad.lv/854995
  * Entries with Lubuntu are not translated on the boot menu on any
 Lubuntu ISO : http://pad.lv/855977


 Happy testing

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 2 released

2011-09-25 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 25/09/2011 18:29, Ali Linx a écrit :
 1) If I want to send my notes regarding my tests, can I do that here
 on this email? or start a new one and send it
 to lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
 mailto:lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net ??
Please send a new mail, it will be easier to read. Thanks :) We always
appreciate feedbacks from users :)

Regards,
Julien
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Evaluate a new build system, CMake.

2011-09-25 Thread PCMan
Hi,
Since many people agreed that autotools is aged, horribly slow, complicated,
poorly documented, and hard to use correctly, I'm currently doing some
experiments with CMake, yet another build system.
KDE uses CMake since 4.0 and many other projects are migrating to it.
However, CMake has no built-in support for intltools, which is extensively
used in LXDE for translations.
In additon, few people use it with gtk+ programs written in C.
Fortunately, it's easy to extend CMake so I wrote a module for intltools and
created a simple gtk+ project.
Now it works well. I added a small project in lxde/devtools repo for demo.

http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/devtools;a=tree;f=gtk_cmake_test;h=ef2ea280444f8553e8a13b9053d216f8a46beb67;hb=HEAD

To build the demo project.
mkdir build
cd build
cmake ../
make
sudo make install

What we will get if we migrate to CMake:
1. colorful build log with progress display (in percent)
2. very fast!! much faster than autotools
3. clean source tree. No more autogen.sh, configure.ac, Makefile.am, and
many mysterious files.
4. well documented syntax with good readability. No more m4 macros mixed
with shell script.
5. easy to write, maintain, debug, and extend.
6. many user-contributed modules exists on internet
7. out of source build which does not pollute the source tree with generated
files
8. CMake is cross-platform. It can generate makefiles even for Windows.

What we will lose (but these are not hard to solve):
1. some nice tools designed for autotools integration, such as gtk-docize,
intltoolize,  However, writing modules to support them is not difficult.
2. the build process may change a little. there will be no configure 
make. use cmake ../  make
3. many Makefile.am and configure.ac need rewrite
4. some feature checking macros provided by autoconf may not be available in
cmake and needs some work.

After playing with CMake for two days, I found it easy to use and extend.
It's a quite handy build system. I can understand why KDE switches to it. It
may be helpful for our project if we can use CMake to replace autotools.
After all, autotools create as many problems  as that is solves. Sometimes
debugging automake stuff takes more time than real coding and this greatly
decrease productivity. So I'd suggest a migration to CMake.

Any comment?
From package maintainers' perspective, will using CMake make packaging
process more difficult? If the answer is no, I'd suggest a migration and
deprecate autotools.
Thanks.
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