Re: [Lubuntu-qa] About 'gnome-disk-utility' as a default app

2013-06-18 Thread Lars Noodén
On 06/18/2013 10:18 AM, Erick Brunzell wrote: I've always wondered why we, or any OS, would include a potentially dangerous app in the Accessories column of a menu. IMHO Red Hats 'gnome-disk-utility' only adds risk so why do we even include it as a default app? In many ways it's comparable

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] About 'gnome-disk-utility' as a default app

2013-06-18 Thread Leszek Lesner
As far as I know the gnome-disk-utility is a good diagnosis tool for SMART and other data around harddrives. It also warns you whenever you make a destructive move. So I don't think we should remove it.-- Gesendet von meinem HP Pre3Am 18.06.2013 09:24 schrieb Lars Noodén lars.noo...@gmail.com: On

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] MIR (Ubuntu Display Server) - Should we be worried?

2013-06-18 Thread Joern
I'm testing LXDE with Wayland at the moment. Of course, Openbox is not a wayland compositor and is replaced with Weston. There are some problems, but it doesn't explode. Not until yet. :-) Jörn Am 17.06.2013 um 22:53 schrieb Karl Anliot kanl...@gmail.com: it's a fragmentation problem.

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] About 'gnome-disk-utility' as a default app

2013-06-18 Thread Nio Wiklund
On 2013-06-18 09:18, Erick Brunzell wrote: I've always wondered why we, or any OS, would include a potentially dangerous app in the Accessories column of a menu. IMHO Red Hats 'gnome-disk-utility' only adds risk so why do we even include it as a default app? In many ways it's comparable to

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] About 'gnome-disk-utility' as a default app

2013-06-18 Thread Erick Brunzell
On 06/18/2013 05:26 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: On 2013-06-18 09:18, Erick Brunzell wrote: I've always wondered why we, or any OS, would include a potentially dangerous app in the Accessories column of a menu. IMHO Red Hats 'gnome-disk-utility' only adds risk so why do we even include it as a

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] zRAM has been removed from Lubuntu 13.10 daily build of 17-Jun

2013-06-18 Thread Erick Brunzell
On 06/18/2013 10:25 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Erick Brunzell lbsol...@yahoo.com mailto:lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote: That's why I asked previously what method you're using to boot the live iso. I have tried two methods: 1- Burned LiveCD on

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] zRAM has been removed from Lubuntu 13.10 daily build of 17-Jun

2013-06-18 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Erick Brunzell lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote: You might want to have a look around through your files and folders. I use a customized Firefox profile (older than sin) but I think by default Firefox downloads to the Downloads folder, but unless you cd to a

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] zRAM has been removed from Lubuntu 13.10 daily build of 17-Jun

2013-06-18 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:03 PM, James King jlki...@gmail.com wrote: Wait, I've *always* been burning disks to test on my Mac Mini. I didn't know there was another way. I feel so n00bish. That said, I'll stick with burning them. It allows me to test xfburn as part of my personal tests of

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] About 'gnome-disk-utility' as a default app

2013-06-18 Thread James King
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Erick Brunzell lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote: On 06/18/2013 05:26 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: On 2013-06-18 09:18, Erick Brunzell wrote: I've always wondered why we, or any OS, would include a potentially dangerous app in the Accessories column of a menu. IMHO Red

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] About 'gnome-disk-utility' as a default app

2013-06-18 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Erick Brunzell lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote: IMHO any app that allows repartitioning and/or formatting of a disc or partition is a bit risky for the average end user. I maintain a few dozen PC's for mostly elderly pensioners and I always remove it

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] New feature or a bug?

2013-06-18 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:08 PM, 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@ubuntu.com wrote: I'm afraid that our beloved GTK3 libraries had change again. I'm already aware of this change, so don't worry, the fix is in progress. Anyway, you can fill a bug report t0o make it official. -- 紳癒礁湖

[Lubuntu-qa] Maintaining a collection of daily ISO images (was: Re: zRAM has been removed from Lubuntu 13.10 daily build of 17-Jun )

2013-06-18 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Ali and team, On 06/18/2013 10:25 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: I'm still so confused and can't really understand what is going on? Anyway, I'm downloading a new ISO and this time, I will guard it by my life and write on the folder the date and rename the file and create a read me text

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] About 'gnome-disk-utility' as a default app

2013-06-18 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013, at 08:36 AM, Erick Brunzell wrote: On 06/18/2013 05:26 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: On 2013-06-18 09:18, Erick Brunzell wrote: I've always wondered why we, or any OS, would include a potentially dangerous app in the Accessories column of a menu. ... What feature is it, that

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu Saucy running in a Thinkpad T42 without PAE flag

2013-06-18 Thread Nio Wiklund
On 2013-06-18 16:32, Nio Wiklund wrote: Hi everybody, I installed the Saucy 32-bit daily build to a USB drive and could boot it in my IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M without any problems. It runs well as it is (and if I install fake-PAE I will also be able to update the kernel). See the

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] RAM needed for desktop installer reduced to half by zRAM

2013-06-18 Thread Julien Lavergne
2013/6/18 Nio Wiklund nio.wikl...@gmail.com: WHy is zRAM removed from the daily build? Is it a mistake, was the idea to test zRAM only a few days, or did someone find something really bad with it? I don't really know to what mail I should answer, but if you want to know the content of the

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [PPC] My Mac Mini stats for the Testing Page on the Wiki

2013-06-18 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi James, I've updated the wiki[1], thank you for running the specification test and for your continued work in keeping PPC tested. Do not be worried about editing wiki pages, no B52's / cruise missiles will head your way. If there is a mess up, the wiki system is designed so that we can

[Lubuntu-qa] [PPC] Thunderbird as PPC Email client?

2013-06-18 Thread James King
I'm actually not sure how important it is to have a dedicated email client. I suspect many people are using their web browsers for email access at Gmail, Yahoo, etc. But since sylpheed isn't available for PPC, and Thunderbird is, it might be the solution for the PPC side if there is space on the

[Lubuntu-qa] [Test Report 2] Minimum RAM required to install 'saucy-desktop-i386.iso' from LiveCD

2013-06-18 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
Hi again, This is my 2nd Test Report :D One of the best tests in my whole life! *Information:* - Test for: saucy-desktop-i386.iso - Daily build: 17-June-2013 - Media: LiveCD - Burned: using Xfburn at 10x Speed - Tested on: Real Hardware *Machine Hardware Details:* -

[Lubuntu-qa] [Test Report 2] Minimum RAM required to install 'saucy-desktop-i386.iso' from LiveCD

2013-06-18 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
Hi again, This is my 2nd Test Report :D One of the best tests in my whole life! *Information:* - Test for: saucy-desktop-i386.iso - Daily build: 17-June-2013 - Media: LiveCD - Burned: using Xfburn at 10x Speed - Tested on: Real Hardware *Machine Hardware Details:* -

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] zRAM for the Alternate Install?

2013-06-18 Thread Nio Wiklund
On 2013-06-19 01:22, Jonathan Marsden wrote: Julien, On Tue, Jun 18, 2013, at 02:44 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote: I don't really know to what mail I should answer, but if you want to know the content of the seed at any time, this is the place :

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] zRAM for the Alternate Install?

2013-06-18 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Nio, as the desktop installer now seems to be pretty much working on 256Mb RAM machines, we do hit a point where the applications (browser, etc) will take a machine with less than 256 Mb RAM 'over the edge'. Please see [1] which is being updated as we learn more about what 13.10 is capable of.

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] zRAM for the Alternate Install? (was: Re: RAM needed for desktop installer reduced to half by zRAM )

2013-06-18 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: So many threads on this!! as the desktop installer now seems to be pretty much working on 256Mb RAM machines, we do hit a point where the applications (browser, etc) will take a machine with less than 256 Mb RAM 'over

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] zRAM for the Alternate Install? (was: Re: RAM needed for desktop installer reduced to half by zRAM )

2013-06-18 Thread Jackson Doak
If you need testing on something below 128mb, let me know, i have access to a warehouse of ancient PCs On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) amjja...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.comwrote: So many threads on this!! as

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] zRAM for the Alternate Install? (was: Re: RAM needed for desktop installer reduced to half by zRAM )

2013-06-18 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Jackson Doak nosk...@ubuntu.com wrote: If you need testing on something below 128mb, let me know, i have access to a warehouse of ancient PCs Thank you so much for this offer but I do not think it worth the time and the effort. Lubuntu will be installed on

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] zRAM for the Alternate Install?

2013-06-18 Thread Nio Wiklund
Hi Phill, I'm testing installation from 'grub-n-iso-swap' for Pentium M and Celeron M, and then it is not possible (or I don't now how) to bypass the full desktop screen. So it is somewhat heavier, and I have issues with 256 MB RAM even when I use swap to disk ... ... I just passed a critical

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [Test Report 2] Minimum RAM required to install 'saucy-desktop-i386.iso' from LiveCD

2013-06-18 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Ali, On Tue, Jun 18, 2013, at 05:31 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Jonathan Marsden I'd much prefer a test using the default install type. ... With all due respect, this will make no difference whatsoever, IMHO. What this has to do with RAM Usage and zRAM

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [Test Report 2] Minimum RAM required to install 'saucy-desktop-i386.iso' from LiveCD

2013-06-18 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote: Ali, On Tue, Jun 18, 2013, at 05:31 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Jonathan Marsden I'd much prefer a test using the default install type. ... With all due respect, this will

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu Saucy running in a Thinkpad T42 without PAE flag

2013-06-18 Thread Nio Wiklund
On 2013-06-18 23:32, Nio Wiklund wrote: On 2013-06-18 16:32, Nio Wiklund wrote: Hi everybody, I installed the Saucy 32-bit daily build to a USB drive and could boot it in my IBM Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M without any problems. It runs well as it is (and if I install fake-PAE I will also be

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [Test Report 2] Minimum RAM required to install 'saucy-desktop-i386.iso' from LiveCD

2013-06-18 Thread Karl Anliot
Ali, thanks for testing the manual partitioner. That's where I first consistently reproduced the out-of-memory crashing. If anyone wants to benchmark ZRAM on hardware... I found this: http://code.google.com/p/compcache/wiki/Iozone -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to :